Yesterday Newnick complained about the lack of 'creationist loopiness', so I thought I'd sic him on this. The story reeks! ****************************************************** 01-17-03, 07:50 PM helpmate I liked the fact that he "placed a bounty" on anyone who found the head. Does that mean that once the head was found, the other kids chased down the finder and, maybe, killed him?
01-17-03, 07:58 PM GarColga Boy, I don't know if an "adjunct professor of apologetics" would be involved in something like that!
01-17-03, 09:55 PM Minnesota Douglas W. Phillips, the young "adjunct professor of apologetics" is a "constitutional" attorney who served the Home School Legal Defense Association.
Peter Derosa, the school's so-called "archaeologist and paleontologist" makes some very unprofessional and extremely suspect observations--ones no reputable paleontologist would make:
"The evidence strongly points to a relatively recent and catastrophic event similar to that described in the Bible as the flood of Noah's day,"
"The dinosaur appears to be in much the same position as he was at the time of his death and burial, which must have been virtually instantaneous, and caused by a catastrophic event. If this creature were millions of years old, the evidence would look quite different."
Obviously the creationist agenda that guides his thinking has overtaken that part of his brain reserved for critical judgment.
But no worse is the the naive hyperbole uttered by Phillips:
"[He] contends that the discovery of such a valuable dinosaur by creation scientists may well send shockwaves through the scientific community."
But then he's a lawyer, and is entitled to make absurd remarks.
01-17-03, 10:11 PM GarColga Didn't we run into the Home School Legal Defense Association during our discussions on Christian Reconstructionism?
01-17-03, 10:18 PM Minnesota Very likely gar. It is a Christian organization.
01-17-03, 10:36 PM GarColga Yep. Michael Farris who founded HSLDA is on the Board of Trustees of Patrick Henry College...along with Janet Ashcroft.
01-17-03, 11:41 PM Enzo Hey! I was fed a steady diet of "creationist loopiness" for 10 years as a child, and I turned out just fine, thank you.
My nose is finely tuned to detect loopiness, and I detect that the contention that the wood did not fossilize completely because it's young, but the failure to explain why the Allosaurus wasn't un-fossilized is 100% loopy.
You know, we actually had a "science" section in the itsy-bitsy school library which explained all about dragons. Dragons.
01-18-03, 01:16 AM newnickname For some reason, there’s absolutely no mention of this incredible find on the ICR website – didn't Doug mention it to anyone?
There is mention on the Vision Forum site. It's exactly the same press release, but with pictures. It’s all so tantalising. There are pictures of the people who discovered the thing. There’s a picture of two guys resting after examining it. There’s a picture of the skull – no, wait there isn’t a picture of the skull; it has been ‘plastered for protection’, so there’s a picture of a lump of plaster. If only someone had thought to photograph an actual bone or two.
From the website, of course, you can buy a video or DVD of the historic discovery. You can even buy a dinosaur bone. Maybe that’s what’s holding the ‘shockwaves’ back – the scientific establishment has so far been unable to come up with the necessary twenty bucks.
01-18-03, 03:27 AM babthrower Gosh, I can just imagine real paleontologists squirming at the thought of a mess of school kids, 'with just minutes to go before calling quits to the expedition'' digging up bones with a $250 prize at stake for the skull-finder.
I wonder how they arrived at the estimate of the fossil's age? They don't trust standard geologic methods. Guesswork? Naah. Revelation.
01-18-03, 04:00 AM tsaeb
quote:Originally posted by babthrower: I wonder how they arrived at the estimate of the fossil's age? They don't trust standard geologic methods. Guesswork? Naah. Revelation.
babs: Not by revelation. By tweaking.
01-18-03, 04:18 PM jell8 Amazing you should bring this up now.
01-18-03, 04:27 PM GarColga Is your comment directed at the original post Jell? If so, why is it amazing and what is amazing about it?
01-18-03, 05:25 PM jell8 I'm talking about the original post you made. I find it amazing that you should mention it now - did you just find out about it, perhaps? The event happened 7 months ago, and I knew about it 6 or so months ago.
01-18-03, 05:42 PM GarColga Well I'd never heard of it before, possibly because the story wasn't carried by any major (legitimate) news organizations! The point of me posting it was because newnick was bemoaning the paucity of creationist foolishness. The story doesn't seem to be legitimate. What responsible paleontologist would let a bunch of kids loose on a site thought to contain such a valuable specimen?
Searches of various archaeological sources reveal nothing relating to a new allosaurus find in CO (or of ANY dinosaur finds in a place called Skullcreek Basin).
01-20-03, 07:30 AM Elexina Riiiiiight. Interesting article. I hadn't heard about this either, Gar, no doubt because no legitimate scientific reporting took place. Incredible.
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