"Most of the worlds problems stem from intolerance not ignorance." That’s a quote by somebody, I forgot who and couldn’t find it in a search. I think it makes a lot of sense. What do you think?
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I agree with renee and honi, the reason that peole can be intolerant is due to ignorance.
I never liked the term tolerant when dealing with race, religous, or sexual orientation, to me it says "even though I don't like___(fill in the blank) I will put up with it. It would be nice if people would just accept and like others for who they are inside. ************************************************* 06-03-03, 07:40 PM Di I think both - as they 'feed' of each other.
06-03-03, 07:40 PM jusork That all makes since. Maybe what he was getting at though was that without intolerance, the ignorance wouldn't cause problems. (That doesn't necessarily mean we need to all be tolerant though).
06-03-03, 09:12 PM Curt in Visalia, CA Comparing the definitions, an intolerant person is "unwilling to tolerate a difference of opinion or feeling or unwilling to grant equal social, political, or professional rights." An ignorant person is one who is "destitute of knowledge..or exhibiting lack of perception, knowledge, or intelligence."
Given all the problems caused by religious and ethnic intolerance throughout world history, I agree with the original statement that most of the world's problems are caused more by intolerance than ignorance.
By the time ignorance is overcome, intolerance has usually done the damage.
[This message was edited by Curt in Visalia, CA on 06-03-03 at 09:21 PM.]
06-03-03, 10:23 PM ic7901
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Originally posted by RN_Renee2003: Doesnt intolerance stem from ignorance?
some of the most prejudiced things i have read have been in bathrooms on college campuses.
06-03-03, 10:42 PM Di What really does college have to do with it? I've know some pretty ignorant college grads. A higher education does not do a thing to change this type of person's basic outlook.
BTW- Sorry for the usage of the word "feed"! Don't know why this has been popping up lately. Can I blame it on age?? LOL
06-03-03, 10:50 PM ic7901
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Originally posted by Di: What really does college have to do with it? I've know some pretty ignorant college grads.
i guess i view education (and knowledge acquired of different disciplines ) as a means for us to discover what we have in common,,, not how we are different.
i am suprised you know some pretty ignorant college grads. i have never met an ignorant college grad. i have never met an ignorant high school grad. i have met men with a 3rd grade education that i thought were quite intelligent.
06-03-03, 11:06 PM Di I guess I'm speaking of common sense and to accept other people no matter what their differences.
Their thoughts, race, religon, etc., etc. shouldn't enter in to it.
Everyone has the right to be treated with respect, not looked down on because they may not fit into our particular 'mold'. To do so is a type of intolerance born of ignorance.
06-04-03, 05:18 AM kittypal ic, you don't think that there are ignorant college graduates??? I know some pretty stupid people with all kinds of education. Ignorant of other peoples cultures is what the problem is, what we don't understand seems to be what we don't tolerate, maybe if people could live a day in the life of someone they "hate" their opinion might change, or am I being too idealistic?
06-04-03, 02:29 PM honilov Kittypal, that makes perfect sense to me.
06-04-03, 02:41 PM Di I'm in complete agreement as well. It's really too bad they aren't able to experience it all from the other side of the fence.
06-04-03, 04:13 PM LVLF I don't know, there are some things that I may not be 100% knowledgeable about, but I'm not totally ignorant either, and I find my tolerance level way low. For example,I'm not completely ignorant about the religious and cultural reasons why the woman in Florida doesn't want to remove her veil for her drivers license photo, but I have no tolerance for the frivolous law suit, nor her notion that she has she can have the best of both worlds. I don't think that if she lived in her native country that she would be allowed to drive, and posing for a photo is somewhat frowned upon as well.
Another example is the accusation that Americans don't allow certain cultures to practice a very integral part of their culture, cock fighting. I plead ignorance and intolerance on this one. I do agree, contrary to my above statements, that we do tend to be less tolerant of things we don't know or understand, but then again, understanding does not necessarily mean that it doesn't conflict with what I think is right or wrong. In a much broader sense, I find that as I get older I am better able to tolerate the very things I couldn't when I was younger, and the things that I could tolerate as a teenager, I cannot tolerate now
06-04-03, 04:53 PM ic7901
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Originally posted by Di: I guess I'm speaking of common sense and to accept other people no matter what their differences.
i have reread my contradictory posts that make absolutely no sense. i have no idea what i am trying to say. your post makes sense to me.
06-04-03, 05:18 PM Di Thanks ic- I appreciate your latest post; feel it takes a special kind of person to write one like that. It's great to have members/friends like you here at AP. Di
06-04-03, 05:50 PM Yelena Does his mean I should be tolerant of Nazi's and the KKK?
06-04-03, 06:08 PM kittypal Yelena, no of course not, but you don't not tolerate the Nazi's and the KK because they are white, it's because of their immoralness and their hatred.
06-04-03, 07:10 PM ic7901
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Originally posted by kittypal: ic, you don't think that there are ignorant college graduates??? I know some pretty stupid people with all kinds of education.
yes kitty i agree. i think i am an excellent example of this problem.
if you were to talk to me about many subjects you would be horrified by my lack of knowledge. you would swear i was a moron.
however, if the conversation were to turn to certain areas, i might impress you,,, not as a complete moron, just far below avg.
06-04-03, 11:30 PM Curt in Visalia, CA Ignorance or intolerance Isn't it possible to be fully informed of another culture and still be intolerant of some aspect of it? For example, some tribes in Africa still practice female circumcision. Certain muslims feel it is permissible for a father to kill a daughter who has brought shame to the family by committing some moral offense (like posing for a driver's license photo uncovered).
06-04-03, 11:45 PM Leppi Ex: I went to my college orientation and someone kept on "insisting to see my horns since I was jewish." The person was not being intolerable, just ignorant.
06-06-03, 04:26 AM billmasters Judging from what I've experienced, I'd say that it's more like 70/30, (Intolerance 70, Ignorance 30). Most people are set in their ways and believe that their way of life is the best way, that's intolerance (70%). On the other hand, people like to jump on a bandwagon and follow popular opinion, that's ignorance (30%).
06-06-03, 02:18 PM KINDO (Quote)Everyone has the right to be treated with respect, not looked down on because they may not fit into our particular 'mold'. (Unquote)
Should the intolerant and the ignorant be treated with the same respect and not be looked down upon because they don't fit into the mold of the tolerant and the enlightened?
06-06-03, 03:01 PM kittypal Kindo, I guess if people want to dislike someone based on skin color, religion, etc...more power to them, just don't take your hatred and use it to hurt or hold someone back.
06-06-03, 07:16 PM clarebear I have an intolerance to ignorance.
06-08-03, 05:02 AM DorianGreyed I agree with Kitty and the others who do not like the word 'tolerance' when used with racial, ethnic, or cultural differences. I see the word as implying a superiority from which one 'allows' others to be accepted.
I also agree with those who have known ignorant college grads in stating that some are ignorant. I, too, have know some. Many are ignorant even in the field in which they have been trained. Having a college degree means only that one has passed requirements and has been exposed to learning, nothing else, and even those requirements vary from school to school. Of course, this does not mean that all college grads are ingnorant, but far too many are.
06-10-03, 08:32 AM Elexina No Tolerance For Intolerance!!
Seriously, though, I agree that they feed off each other. A person may be intolerant because they are ignorant, or so intolerant that they refuse to see anything but their own view, hence becoming ignorant. It is also possible to be perfectly intelligent and intolerant.
I think the real problem is not that people don't understand other lifestyles but that they refuse to see beyond their own viewpoint to how others are just as normal as they are.
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