In these times with constant flow of people not of this country, its interesting to see just how many people OF THIS country know how it works and runs.
How well would you do if you took the citizenship test. Try this out - educational and fun. 24 out of 30 is considered a passing grade. I understand that 96% of all High School Seniors FAILED this test...AND if that's not bad enough, 50+% of all individuals over 50 did too!!, and we WONDER why America's in the shape she's in?
01-04-06, 08:17 PM RoverRoad Out of 30 questions, I only answered 17 correctly. The janitor in my building at work just took this test and passed. I will have a new appreciation for him tomorrow!
01-04-06, 08:24 PM DorianGreyed 30/30, including the one they had wrong.
01-04-06, 08:41 PM Kelleygirl
quote: Originally posted by DorianGreyed: 30/30, including the one they had wrong.
Which one was wrong, DG? I just had a feeling that you would find something incorrect.
01-04-06, 08:50 PM RoverRoad Dorian, I too want to know which one you missed. Also, what was Kelleygirl's score?
01-04-06, 09:00 PM newnickname 21 - I failed.
Here's a practice for the official Canadian Citizenship test - www.yourlibrary.ca
01-04-06, 09:10 PM RoverRoad newnickname, I've had my eye on Calgary for quite some time. This is a test I should check out! Who knows, I may be a future Canadian... Big Grin
01-04-06, 09:10 PM Kelleygirl
quote: Originally posted by RoverRoad: Dorian, I too want to know which one you missed. Also, what was Kelleygirl's score?
Okay, since you asked Rover, I also flunked -- had a 21 -- really made a mess out of the questions regarding the amendments.
01-04-06, 09:12 PM DorianGreyed Why did the Pilgrims come to America?
to establish a trade route with India
to establish a new nation
to set up fur trade with the Natives
to find religious freedom -------- The answer that they wanted was the last one, to find religious freedom. But the Pilgrims had religious freedom in the country that they left. That was Holland. It is true that the Pilgrims left England in search of religious freedom, but they went to Holland and found it. They left Holland because they wanted "someplace English." Their children were learning Dutch, playing with Dutch children, and, while they prospered in Holland, they didn't really get along with the Dutch. In fact, the Pilgrims didn't get along with anyone who disagreed with them. One of the first things they did upon landing in America was to establish a (basically) state religion. You had to obey their religious laws or you were punished. (Cursing God - Three hours (or less) in the public stocks; Wearing visors or other "strange" apparel - Fine of 50 shillings; Denying the Scriptures - Whipping, severity to be determined by magistrates, but never to endanger life or limb; Failing to attend church - 10 shilling fine; Working (laboring) on Sunday - 10 shilling fine; Traveling on Sunday - 20 shilling fine; Harboring a Quaker - 20 shillings per week, after being warned) The form of governmenty that they practiced is also not what public school history books would have you believe. Governor William Bradford in his book, "Of Plimouth Plantation", describes how the colony owned the land in common, and shared in the harvests in common. In other words, the state owned the land, and distributed the product of the land (food) to all in the community. It didn't work.
"The experience that has had in this common course and condition, tried sundrie years, and that amongst Godly and sober men, may well evince the Vanities of the conceit of Plato's and other ancients, applauded by some of later times; that the taking away of propertie, and bringing into commone wealth, would make them happy and flourishing, as if they were wiser than God." - Bradford
Afterwards, the land was still owned in common, but the product of a family was the property of that family.
However, the fact that the Pilgrim's attempt at communism didn't work does not change the fact that the Pilgrims first government was based on communist principles.
Those who doubt me need to read the available documents and literature of the time. It's all there.
01-04-06, 09:27 PM Rakuchild I got 25 questions correct. A co-worker took the real citizenship test last month. She told me there were 100 questions to study, out of those 5 were randomly chosen. She asked me all 5 and I knew those. She also had to read aloud a sentence in English and write a sentence dictated to her in English. I am so happy she passed and is on her way becoming a "spoiled American."
01-04-06, 09:32 PM Kelleygirl Great point, DG! You never let me down. Hey, it says at the end that if you disagree with any of their answers:
Send comments to games@toast.net
Go for it, Guy!
01-04-06, 09:32 PM RoverRoad I feel like a dumb ass now. I have the lowest score so far Frown
Oh well, I'm already a citizen. And you can forget about that Canada test! I need to do some studying first.
01-04-06, 09:38 PM coldfuse 29 / 30 - I had no clue how many amendments had been proposed but not ratified. I also got DG's wrong, but the test counted it as correct Wink
01-04-06, 09:38 PM DorianGreyed Congratulate your co-worker for me, and give her my welcome to the US.
01-04-06, 09:44 PM DorianGreyed Fuse, it's just like Trivia; sometimes, you have to give the wrong answer because you know that's the only one that they'll count. And I guessed on the proposed/not ratified one.
01-04-06, 09:44 PM coldfuse Hey, RR - consider how many people have taken the test withOUT posting their score here! I think everyone has performed quite well so far ... why, most of us are as smart as intelligent high school seniors!
01-04-06, 10:35 PM jusork Man, that's tough. I got a 19. Even I forgot a lot of stuff. I should've known that there is no official language of the US. I think I remember now learning that here.
01-04-06, 11:14 PM clarebear I'm surprised they didn't mention the Indians. They were here first because they had reservations.
01-04-06, 11:28 PM DorianGreyed Clare, that one actually hurt.
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Actually, they occupied the land before we took it from them, and they had established forms of government long before whites came to conquer North America. They were forced to settle for reservations because they were outnumbered and lost the war. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 01-04-06, 11:43 PM clarebear
01-04-06, 11:50 PM RoverRoad clarebear, there should definitely be mention of Native Americans in the test. After all, many Americans have American Indian blood flowing through their veins and they don't even know it! The result of early American war and “Breading them out”. (The unpopular history of America)
01-04-06, 11:54 PM clarebear RoverRoad
Lets try this again...
Why were the Indians here first? They had reservations!
Get it? Wink
01-04-06, 11:55 PM jusork Look, there it goes! Right over Rover's head! Big Grin
01-04-06, 11:57 PM RoverRoad Poor taste...
01-04-06, 11:58 PM clarebear Less filling. Razz
01-05-06, 12:06 AM clarebear
This post made to save Karrow the trouble. LOL
01-05-06, 05:01 AM Jelp01 I had to guess on a couple of them too. And guessed right, apparently. Just for fun I took the Canadian test and answered 30 questions, getting 25 of them right, though several of them were guesses. If I ever decide to move the three or so hours north to Canada maybe that means I wouldn't have to study too hard. Wink
01-05-06, 08:54 AM Rakuchild
quote: Originally posted by DorianGreyed: Congratulate your co-worker for me, and give her my welcome to the US.
Thanks, DG. She and her mother both went for the test but her mother was not permitted to take it. Years of physical labor have worn away her fingerprints and they can't get a clear enough set of prints to run and be sure she isn't a criminal. Until it can be proven her record is clean, she can't take the written test. She was able to take a driver's test though and at 63 obtained her first driver's license ever (and made her daughter very proud).
What questions are throwing people here? The history ones don't seem that difficult (if you go with the mechanical answers we're given in school) but the ones that ask about term limits and ratified amendments- the nuts and bolts of government, if you will- I found a challenge. I can't seem to remember who spends how long in what office. Perhaps I shouldn't have skipped so many American Government classes in high school. Smile
01-05-06, 11:18 AM frankvan
quote: Originally posted by RoverRoad: Poor taste...
Not enough breading??
01-05-06, 02:01 PM Scotty I got 27/30 and the official language was one that I should have known.Seems to be an easy test for citizenship though.
01-05-06, 03:07 PM DorianGreyed "I understand that 96% of all High School Seniors FAILED this test...AND if that's not bad enough, 50+% of all individuals over 50 did too!!" _ Kelleygirl
"Seems to be an easy test for citizenship though." - Scotty
Scotty, maybe now you might see what I mean about the state of education in the United States. Almost all of the people who have taken a course in US history within the previous 4 years can't pass a citizenship test.
01-05-06, 03:30 PM Scotty
quote: Scotty, maybe now you might see what I mean about the state of education in the United States. Almost all of the people who have taken a course in US history within the previous 4 years can't pass a citizenship test
I would say that you are right DG,it is a sad state of affairs. Something that really opened my eyes,was the fact that almost five-thousand people did not get one answer correct. Confused Can this possibly be true?
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01-05-06, 07:25 PM Professor
quote: I understand that 96% of all High School Seniors FAILED this test...AND if that's not bad enough, 50+% of all individuals over 50 did too!!
What's considered a failing score?
01-05-06, 07:38 PM DorianGreyed "...24 out of 30 is considered a passing grade..."
80% is apparently the pass/fail line.
01-05-06, 11:46 PM RoverRoad
quote: Not enough breading??
Get off my case man Roll Eyes
I don't understand why an immigrant needs to take this test anyway? It doesn't prove loyalty. Anybody can pass the test if they study for it. I got 100% correct on my drivers exam but it doesn't prove that I can drive a car. But at least it shows that I know the rules of the road. These questions don't even show that these immigrants know the laws of the country.
I think the whole thing is pointless. The test should be about basic law, not about trivial things.
01-06-06, 12:22 PM FredPuli OK Try the British one. What follows is (honestly ) based on the booklet which every aspiring citizen has to study to pass the test. Questions like these are undoubtedly asked. The aim of the test is to establish to what extent the applicant has settled or can settle and be assimilated as well as his or her knowledge of basic law and rights:
I really think it's stupid that they would put a trick question on there. Which president was born in Texas? Who cares?
And some of the questions aren't really that important in gauging how much someone knows about being an America citizen. I think if you don't know that there are 27 amendments, and that 5 have failed to pass, and that an amendment to put limits on how long it takes to pass an amendment passed in 1992... yawn... who cares?
Many of the questions are important but by putting in these ridiculous questions, it seems like they set people up to fail.
If you ask me they should skip all the trick questions and ask about taxes a bit. How can you have a citizenship test that doesn't include questions about tax policy?
01-06-06, 01:09 PM coldfuse Ami, they tell them about tax policy after they become citizens. It's sort of like a su
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Similar to how you can always get through to your insurance company to get a new policy but the claims line is always busy?
I suppose laws and taxes apply to everyone, not just citizens, but I still think that some of the questions were a bit trivial rather than being important.
I helped people study for the citizenship test and I don't any of the questions being so insignificant. I'm NOT saying that all the test is a waste, I just don't remember there being trivia style questions on the citizenship test in the past. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 01-08-06, 11:44 AM RoverRoad I took the test again and got a 26. Razz I guess a real retest would probably mix up the questions and throw some new ones in, but even so I passed. Big Grin I can't believe I still missed a question on the first amendment though. I knew that one...
Anybody notice that there are 5872 people that got zero correct? That's bad.
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01-08-06, 01:06 PM FredPuli 25 . That is a better percentage than I got on the BBC's UK citizenship test (in my link above). Happily I haven't seen a French citizenship test yet or I might have to emigrate.(I don't suppose they have one).
As Ami hints, a better test is of practical matters of culture: in the UK that would include the etiquette and practice of queueing,including that in the invisible queue at a bar, what is expected of you if you spill someone's drink in a pub, how to get through the impenetrable computerised answering services ('Your call is important to us, so here's lot of spiel about our other products while you are waiting' )etc.That's a fairer and more useful test than asking for the date of the Battle of Trafalgar or Saint David's Day .
01-08-06, 02:06 PM DorianGreyed Battle of Trafalgar - October 21, 1805 St. David's Day - March 1st
01-08-06, 05:14 PM DorianGreyed My team won a Trivia contest once (by 1 point) because I knew that the leek was a symbol of Wales. Big Grin
01-08-06, 05:46 PM FredPuli
quote: Originally posted by DorianGreyed: My team won a Trivia contest once (by 1 point) because I knew that the leek was a symbol of Wales. Big Grin
You know your onions , as they say here (='know your subject') ! Many think it is the daffodil but it is not. It is the leek. The story goes that a Welsh scholar once argued that the Welsh words for 'leek' and 'daffodil' sounded the same, there had been a mistake made in the past and the daffodil was the true emblem. This 'reason' was simply to appease Queen Victoria who took exception to presenting the Welsh Guards with leeks on St David's Day but who would settle for daffodils instead. (The daffodil has nothing to do with Dewi/David/ Dafydd, the Saint, either, the name being a corruption of asphodel).
01-09-06, 10:35 PM RoverRoad I tried to congratulate the janitor where I work because he just got his citizenship. I told him he did good because I took the test and failed it. Well, he doesn't speak English very well so I think he thought I was insulting him. How he's mad at me. Razz
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, as they say here (='know your subject') ! Many think it is the daffodil but it is not. It is the leek. The story goes that a Welsh scholar once argued that the Welsh words for 'leek' and 'daffodil' sounded the same, there had been a mistake made in the past and the daffodil was the true emblem. This 'reason' was simply to appease Queen Victoria who took exception to presenting the Welsh Guards with leeks on St David's Day but who would settle for daffodils instead. (The daffodil has nothing to do with Dewi/David/ Dafydd, the Saint, either, the name being a corruption of asphodel).
