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Ogi
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Hello everyone,

Long time reader, first time poster Smile

Miller Agrees to Testify in CIA Leak Probe

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Her source was Vice President
Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, reported the Times, which supported her contention that her source should be protected.


however....

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Time reporter Matthew Cooper testified to the grand jury after his magazine surrendered his notes and e-mail detailing a conversation with presidential aide Karl Rove.


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The reporters' sources — rather than being whistle-blowers exposing wrongdoing and facing retaliation if identified — are government officials whose motives in leaking appear to have been to undermine the credibility of a critic of the Bush administration.


you don't say...

For more information on the subject matter I should make referenceto this FactCheck.org article.

Thoughts?

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Absolutely nothing this administration does surprises me. It makes Nixon's White House look like Joey Gallo's gang.

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Ambassador Wilson (Valerie Plame's husband) predicted yesterday on the radio that Rove would still be indicted over this mess; could be that he was aware that this was to take place.

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I hope Rove gets indicted as well. I really really don't like that guy. With him out of the picture, in 2008, we might even have some halfway decent campaigns. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

More on the developing story:
Judith Miller Appears for Testimony

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In October 2003, with the criminal investigation gaining speed, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said of Rove and Libby: "Those individuals assured me they were not involved in this" leaking of Plame's identity.


Scott McClellan is a funny guy. I almost feel bad for him when I watch Jon Stewart on the Daily Show tear his statements apart.

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President Bush has given varying accounts of the circumstances under which he would fire leakers in the Plame probe.


I would be amazed despite what Bush has said if he fires Rove. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Bush pardons him.

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Starting in 2002, her stories about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq helped bolster the Bush administration's case for toppling
Saddam Hussein.


But wait, isn't the New York Times considered part of the "liberal media"? I just wanted to throw that in there because if someone mentions something about the "liberal media" and how this is one big plot to undermine Bush, I think I will scream.

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I think it is more likely that a deal has alredy been made. Once again, someone will fall on his sword for a higher-up in the administration.
 
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If George W fell on his sword, he would probably miss. Big Grin
 
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It's all a big liberal media plot to undermine Bush...

There you go - screaming's good for you. Gets the blood circulating.

What was Miller playing at? Did she go to jail to get material for a column or something?

'But Joseph Tate, an attorney for Libby, said yesterday that he told Miller attorney Floyd Abrams a year ago that Libby's waiver was voluntary and that Miller was free to testify. He said last night that he was contacted by Bennett several weeks ago, and was surprised to learn that Miller had not accepted that representation as authorization to speak with prosecutors.

"We told her lawyers it was not coerced," Tate said. "We are surprised to learn we had anything to do with her incarceration."

Tate said that he and Bennett then asked Fitzgerald whether their clients could talk without fear of being accused of obstructing the investigation, and were assured that Fitzgerald would not oppose them doing so. After the phone call from Libby on Sept. 19 or 20, Tate said, the lawyers wrote a letter to Fitzgerald indicating Miller accepted Libby's representation that the waiver was voluntary.

In July, when Chief US District Judge Thomas F. Hogan ordered Miller to jail, he told her she was mistaken in her belief that she was defending a free press, stressing that the government source she "alleges she is protecting" had released her from her promise of confidentiality.'
www.washingtonpost.com

As has been pointed out, she wasn't protecting vulnerable whistle blowers, but White House staff who were trying to smear a critic. She had also previously fallen hook, line and sinker for the Bush administration's line on WMD. Is she maybe just not too bright?
 
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If George W fell on his sword, he would probably miss. Big Grin

Or he'd discover it was made of inferior materials by a low bidder on the sword contract, and it broke under the strain.

Much like our armor in Iraq, in fact...

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"Much like our armor in Iraq, in fact..."

Oh? They have armor now?
 
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It's all a big liberal media plot to undermine Bush...

There you go - screaming's good for you. Gets the blood circulating.

What was Miller playing at? Did she go to jail to get material for a column or something?

'But Joseph Tate, an attorney for Libby, said yesterday that he told Miller attorney Floyd Abrams a year ago that Libby's waiver was voluntary and that Miller was free to testify. He said last night that he was contacted by Bennett several weeks ago, and was surprised to learn that Miller had not accepted that representation as authorization to speak with prosecutors.

"We told her lawyers it was not coerced," Tate said. "We are surprised to learn we had anything to do with her incarceration."

Tate said that he and Bennett then asked Fitzgerald whether their clients could talk without fear of being accused of obstructing the investigation, and were assured that Fitzgerald would not oppose them doing so. After the phone call from Libby on Sept. 19 or 20, Tate said, the lawyers wrote a letter to Fitzgerald indicating Miller accepted Libby's representation that the waiver was voluntary.

In July, when Chief US District Judge Thomas F. Hogan ordered Miller to jail, he told her she was mistaken in her belief that she was defending a free press, stressing that the government source she "alleges she is protecting" had released her from her promise of confidentiality.'
www.washingtonpost.com

As has been pointed out, she wasn't protecting vulnerable whistle blowers, but White House staff who were trying to smear a critic. She had also previously fallen hook, line and sinker for the Bush administration's line on WMD. Is she maybe just not too bright?


In his defnese, Bush isn't the first president (or the last) to use the lowest bidder on a contract, but the use of no-bid contracts seem to be pretty poppular with him (*cough* Halliburton *cough*). It's why I will never buy from Raytheon again (granted I don't have government money to spend, so only if I won the lottery could I afford any of their products).

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