Originally posted by aminator2002: It is really hard for me to understand how a statement like "Is there any more evidence to suggest that bin Laden or Saddam Hussein (as both were blamed)was to blame than our own Government is? "
The fact that Bin Laden admitted and claimed the attacks on 9-11 means that in general a court of law would not be necessary to deem him responsible. That on each of the flights there were two men that had trained with him... also builds a pretty strong case that really doesn't need trial lawyers.
And the case that the UN didn't get behind was going into Iraq for Weapons of Mass Destruction. Our war with Afghanistan was almost universally thought to be on the side of justice.
I haven't seen this documentary but would like to now. What is THC?
Hey aminator, I have a confession to make...
I was the gunman on the grassy knoll in Dealey Plaza!
There, now I've admitted it. Ok, so I'll be waiting for the boys in blue to come and take me away now. Never mind the fact that it defies logic because it occurred over a decade before I was born. But, since I've now admitted it, there is no need for it to make sense, or to be proven in a court of Law, isn't that right, aminator?
Originally posted by Valor D: So, just ask yourself, who stood the most to gain from 9-11? And, who has gained the most from it?
Off the top of my head it would seem like democrats stood the most to gain from it.* There is no doubt they have gained from it.
- By happening on a republican's time in the White House it would make the republican look bad and lead that republican into an unpopular war and then cause other republicans to lose control of Congress! So obviously democrats gained from 9/11!
- Democrat Senator Feinstein and her billionaire husband Richard Blum have gained! They war profiteered millions from the war with their ties to the infrastructure company Perini.
- Democrat National Chaiman, Terry McAuliffe gained an extra $18,000,000.00 in his pocket from his Global Crossing ties – more war profiteering by a democrat.
- Democratic Congressman Gary Condit was facing large amounts of scrutiny in the news media during 2001 over his missing (and murdered) intern. Something much larger would be needed to get Gary Condit out of the news. Condit gained from 9/11 by taking him off the front page of the papers!
- Barbara Olson was the conservative author of the book Hell to Pay, which documented the myriad of abuses of power and legal violations by Hillary Clinton. Barbara Olson was killed on 9/11 when the plane she was on was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon! So Senator Hillary Clinton gained by having the author of a tell-all book about her die.
- The targets of 9/11 were clear examples of conservative republican ideals: The World Trade Center represented capitalism. The Pentagon represented the Military. Democrats have targeted both of these concepts for years! Now they were literally targeted!
- And just how much money have the left-leaning 9/11 Screw Loose Change "troofers" made off of the attacks through the sale of their fictional books and fictional DVDs?
- How many millions did Michael Moore make with his movie Fahrenheit 9/11?
- Michael Moore also owned stock in Halliburton! How many millions in war profiteering did he make off of that?
*Let me just take this time to point out that I do NOT really think any democrat (elected or otherwise) gained or were somehow actually involved in the planning, execution or specific foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks. Likewise for republican politicians. I'm not a nutjob like the Screw Loose Change "troofers." Granted, there's enough blame for bureaucratic bungling among both political parties when it comes to security and intelligence and related matters. But all the blame for the actual planning and carrying out of the 9/11 attacks lies squarely with the Arab Islamicfascists who did it for their own purposes with absolutely no foreknowledge of any specifics by any democrat or republican. I just did the above make a point to the Screw Loose Change "troofers" who, sadly, are so dense they won't get the point I am trying to make.
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Originally posted by Valor D: Is there any more evidence to suggest that bin Laden . . . was to blame
You mean besides the videotape where bin Laden admits his role in 9/11? Or the videotape with bin Laden and the 9/11 hijackers cavorting together? Or bin Laden's letter to America where he states why he attacked us? Or every reliable intelligence agency on the planet all agreeing that it was bin Laden? Or the fact that there is absolutely no freaking evidence whatsoever that the U.S. government carried out the attacks?
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Originally posted by Valor D: And, if there is, then why has it not been established as factual in a court of Law?
"A federal judge. . . [on May 7, 2003] ordered Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and others to pay early $104 million to the families of two Sept. 11 victims, saying there is evidence – though meager - that Iraq had a hand in the terrorist attacks." Source.
Happy now?! You wanted it established in a court of law. You got it! Now do the world a favor and shut the hell up with your nutty conspiracy theories!
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Originally posted by Valor D: …the United Nations- said there was insufficient evidence to go to War.
Wrong. U.N. Resolution Numbers 678, 687 and 1441.
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Originally posted by Valor D: It's really only common sense, isn't it?
That's funny, seeing as how you have not used one bit of common sense in your post.
Now let me say this to you Valor D:
How dare you! How freaking dare you! Hang your head in shame for what you have implied in your rambling post! That is if you are even capable of feeling ashamed, which I doubt! You "troofers" make me sick to my stomach! You have dishonored all the people who were murdered that day by denying the culpability of their Islamicfascist murderers! And you do it for nothing more than playing cheap dirty politics! You are beneath contempt!
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Originally posted by JohnGalt: You mean besides the videotape where bin Laden admits his role in 9/11? Or the videotape with bin Laden and the 9/11 hijackers cavorting together? Or bin Laden's letter to America where he states why he attacked us?
Videotapes and letters can be faked, John. Which is usually why they're deemed inadmissable in a court of Law. Much like the latest video of bin Laden making some speech (from just last week I believe), which was proven to be a fake!
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Or every reliable intelligence agency on the planet all agreeing that it was bin Laden?
None of them want to disagree with the top dog, now do they? Tell me, John, are you familiar with the psychological term "Group Think"? If not, you might want to check it out.
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Or the fact that there is absolutely no freaking evidence whatsoever that the U.S. government carried out the attacks?
Wrong again. There is massive evidence of cover-ups committed by the U.S. Government. Much of which is covered in the popular documentaries "Fahrenheit 9/11" and "Loose Change".
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"A federal judge. . . [on May 7, 2003] ordered Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and others to pay early $104 million to the families of two Sept. 11 victims, saying there is evidence – though meager - that Iraq had a hand in the terrorist attacks." Source.
Happy now?! You wanted it established in a court of law. You got it! Now do the world a favor and shut the hell up with your nutty conspiracy theories!
That ruling was made by DEFAULT, John. There was NO TRIAL! The Judge made that ruling based on the bogus reports made by the Bush administration and his band of "intelligence" puppets, coupled with the fact that the defendant, bin Laden, didn't show up for the court date. But, seeing as how noone on earth seems to be able to even FIND bin Laden, I seriously doubt whether he was ever properly served those court papers, and could have even been aware of said court date! LOL!
Finally, John, I say that you are the one who should hang his head in shame! For, you are without a doubt one of the instruments which has perpetuated this ILLEGAL and IMMORAL War by perpetuating your LIES and misinformation! So, why don't you go back to your Homeland Security Office and chew on that? And, you can tell all your friends at the so-called "intelligence" bureau the same goes for them!
Guys, I have other things I want to do today. I refuse to let myself be tied down babysitting a thread. If you can't police yourselves, I'll have to do it, and I will take the easy way out. I strongly urge you to re-read AP's rules.
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Six weeks before Election Day, Bush’s comments were directed as much to his audience at home as to the assembled U.N. delegates.
His Democratic rival, John Kerry, said Bush failed to present a true picture of Iraq to the United Nations and “does not have the credibility to lead the world.”
“The president really has no credibility at this point,” Kerry said in his first news conference since Aug. 9. “He has no credibility with foreign leaders who hear him come before them and talk as if everything is going well, and they see that we can’t even protect the people on the ground for the election.”
“After lecturing them, instead of leading them to understand how we are all together with a stake in the outcome of Iraq, I believe the president missed an opportunity of enormous importance for our nation and for the world,” Kerry said.
Annan urged respect for 'rule of law' Bush spoke shortly after U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan opened the 191-nation gathering with a warning that the “rule of law” is at risk around the world. Annan last week asserted that the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq “was illegal” because it lacked such Security Council approval.
“No one is above the law,” Annan said. He condemned the taking and killing of hostages in Iraq, but also said Iraqi prisoners had been disgracefully abused, an implicit criticism of the U.S. treatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.
Valor, your FDR quote is probably a quote from an editorial in a Kansas City newspaper, written by Theodore Roosevelt in about 1918. Somewhere in AP, you will find references to it.
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You're right, DG, it was Teddy Roosevelt. Thanx for the correction. Here are some more of Teddy Roosevelt's most famed quotes: http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/1730
