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| Posts: 5569 | Location: south of Cincy | Registered: 07-12-02 |    |
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| Posts: 13482 | Location: 6 miles west of Wigan UK | Registered: 06-05-02 |    |
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According to tne OED the first use of the word quiz is as a noun meaning '1)an odd or eccentric person; a person of ridiculous appearance 2) a person who makes practical jokes, engages in banter, a hoaxer, a joker'. These meanings date from the late C18.It says the origin is unknown. The word then became used for a practical joke itself (C19) and, in America, for what we now know as a quiz, as in pub quiz or trivia quiz. Evidently, from the link above, the current team at Oxford don't accept the Dublin story as proof of the origin. 'Quiz' is so close to Latin 'quis' as to suggest itself as the origin and that some joker simply spelled it in an eccentric, crazy, way. 'Quis' means, inter alia, 'who is this?' which seems an appropriate response on encountering an eccentric or person of ridiculous appearance. The claim that the word was invented by some joker as a practical joke or hoax could be a back formation, a piece of creative etymology to answer the question of who or what was the original quiz.It seems a bit too neat to be true. (Anyway,the story is Irish: what more disproof do you need?  )
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| Posts: 8681 | Location: Newmarket, UK/ Antibes, S.France | Registered: 07-14-02 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by frankvan: quote: 'Quis' means, inter alia, 'who is this?' which seems an appropriate response on encountering an eccentric or person of ridiculous appearance.
The above brought to mind a favorite expression of my Liverpudlian mother. Whenever she encountered an " eccentric or person of ridiculous appearance" she would usually say, "The things you're liable to see when you don't have a shotgun". I wonder if that is an original, or typical of Liverpool?
No, Frank,it is not specific to or typical of Liverpool. It was quite a common expression in England , one now associated with the older generation: 'The things you see when you haven't got a gun' was the usual version.
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| Posts: 8681 | Location: Newmarket, UK/ Antibes, S.France | Registered: 07-14-02 |    |
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quote: 'The things you see when you haven't got a gun' was the usual version.
Fred Gun crime is on the Up is some areas of Liverpool (teenage kids who hire them...little Big men) this and drugs The areas Norris Green (L11)and Croxteth(L12) My grandparents lived in Norris Green from when it was Built in the 1930's but from the 1970's onward it has deteriorated into a little war zone (apt?) Toxteth (L7)(supposed to be still a rough area )is no worse than elsewhere in town now  Toxteth used to be a rich district up to the early 1900's L11 & L12 are not safe places to drive through or walk through of a night Buses have be known to cut their journeys short if there is trouble reported even taxis do the same of a night,if young men ask to be taken in that direction Picture of Norris Green as it was in about 1985Now....  Ps there are still some nice houses streets left check out the www.sw-norrisgreen.co.uk web site for photos Also some new build property which is out of the reach of the majority of people in this area Map of the area Croxteth is in the top righthand sector top of the map is pointing North East towards where I live Now
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