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How do you explain in the English language these differences?
Canine=> Dog
Cardiac=> Heart
 
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Mozart, I'd love to answer if only the question was in the English language Big Grin

What difference do you mean? Is it the contrast between the Old English root of the noun and the Latin root of the related adjective in each case ?
 
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I could have guess that you would be answering this one Fred, because of your knowledge in Latin.
Why don't you ask the same question in your entourage and look at the Question marks in their face! Smile
You're answer is good...except for the part:

"Mozart, I'd love to answer if only the question was in the English language Big Grin"
You get an "F". Wink
 
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The reason is education. Our adjectives for the animal are Latin : ovine, vulpine, canine,equine, feline, bovine but the nouns are Old English or other old European ones (Old Norse, Frisian etc). The early writers on the care and characteristics of these animals wrote in Latin.

Cardiac appears in Late Middle English as a noun for a pain or ailment referred to the heart. It doesn't appear as an adjective until the C17. In both cases it has a strictly medical use. The doctors of both periods relied upon Latin texts.The Latin root of cardiac is itself taken from Greek (where, do you think, the Romans learned their medicine from ? Smile ).
 
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Ainsi soit-il! Smile
 
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"Mozart, I'd love to answer if only the question was in the English language "
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I loved this, Mozart, I really did, for of course the question you asked was in the English language! I thought at first that perhaps I wasn't seeing things properly, maybe as a result of subjunctivitis, but if I was wrong on that point, as it were, do feel free to correct me Smile Smile Smile.

PS Hello Fred! Sorry!
 
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It seems to me that the words (in English) used for everyday items are ones used by the common man, and thus are almost universally words that were in use in England when the Normans invaded, while the more "official" words are ones of French derivation, i.e. from Latin. Remember, for a few hundred years, the ruling class in England spoke French, while their subjects spoke English.
 
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Roll Eyes Translate " => " into the English language.That's the bit I could not do.

Whilst often so, for example with beef for the food but ox or cow for the animal, cardiac and canine are not examples of the Norman ruling class' influence. Cardiac was not in English until the C17 except as a doctor's term, as a noun, for an illness referred to the heart.The everyday use as an adjective was some hundreds of years after the Late Middle English, medical, noun. Norman doctors learned in Latin. Wink Canine was not in use until the early C17 as an adjective and the C19 as a noun.

[I hereby apply for the Maiku Commemorative Medal (2nd Class) Smile ]
 
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There was no time frame in my question,Fred. But I enjoy the details. Smile
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