Don't ask me what passage it was but I read that you (not you inparticualr) but that if you marry someone else while your spouse is still alive you are an adulterer....Does God still consider divorce a sin or have we written that one of for our own benefit?

The Bible isn't so clear, it seems. As usual. However, the Bible Belt Leads U.S. In Divorces, so (along with greed, war, usury, ostentatious display of prayer and so on) it must be OK.

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Does God still consider divorce a sin

This is yet one more example of the way in which the Bible, which reflects a whole different cultural milieu, comes into conflict with the modern day world. God has nothing to do with it, the writers of the Bible do. They reflect a different time, and different societal paradigm. Marriage is not a biological reality, generally speaking. It is a cultural phenomenon. That men and women realize they are mismatched is no reason to stay together, just because they believe a divinity is in favor of it.

Anyone who can get a divorce has never really been married in the true since of marriage. Philippians 2:2 is what it is really all about. So it was written and so it is; By the Law is no man justified. Married by a preacher and the first thing he does is run to the courthouse and register it with the law.

My understanding is that the answer varies greatly by denomination, and often by how much money you are willing to pay to have your previous marriage wiped from the books.
Of course, if you weren't married in a church in the first place you're not technically married at all, in gods' eyes, and you can do whatever you want anyway!

Actually getting a Divorce could be a commandment to you.

Jesus always taught that out of love, we were to take the wrong, even take more wrong. Jesus listed Divorce as wrong, EXCEPT the cause of Fornication.

Sounds like Jesus said to take any wrong but this one, Not really the case. Fornication is a loving relationship with someone other then the spouse. It does not have to be a sexual one, Just where your spouse loves someone else.

If this is the case, Then out of love, Take the wrong and set them free. Even if you do not want to. Take the wrong so they can be happy.

These verses will show Fornication as loving someone:

Isaiah 23:17 And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.
18 And her merchandise and her hire shall be holiness to the LORD: it shall not be treasured nor laid up; for her merchandise shall be for them that dwell before the LORD, to eat sufficiently, and for durable clothing.

The Fornication of verse 23:17 is seen as HOLINESS unto the Lord in verse 18. The day of the Cross is as 1,000 years, Jesus is alive 930 years as Adam, Dead or desolate 70 as Jerusalem, then Jesus is revived while still in the Sepulchre and LOVES EVERYONE.

Assuming an equal evening and morning (Jewish Hours were divided 12 for evening, 12 for Morning or daylight) with sunrise at what we would call 6 am and sunset at 6 pm, Jesus died at 4:20 pm, or 70 years of a 1,000 year day.


As far as married in God’s eyes, There were two couples, One kept to themselves till married, Got married in a Church, But ended up hating each other, and saw the Marriage vows as bonds. The other couple never got married at all, But love each other and stayed committed to one another without the law, In God’s eyes, which ones are really married?

Ken

Ken, it seems to me that you are implying the eyes of God and the eyes of religion (Christianity) are different eyes.

Elexina.

Different does not even begin to tell of the Distance between what God sees and Christianity sees.

There is a cute little statement made about a place called Berea:

Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

They knew they should verify what the Disciples of Jesus were saying was Scriptural. And those Scriptures was what is known as the Jewish Holy Scriptures, Which Christians call the Old Testament.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Jesus said the same thing, That the Jewish Holy Scriptures which were the only Scriptures when Jesus made that statement recorded by John, Testify of Jesus, What He would do as the Prophecies show, and that to the jot and tittle.

Christianity as it is practiced today, Preached today, believed today, Do in no wise match what God foretold Christ would accomplish. Had they really searched the Scriptures they would have realized they were not seeing what God had done through Christ.

These verses show God blinded some people from seeing:

Isaiah 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

Jesus told the Disciples:

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

Jesus after praying the third time in the Garden, came, found the Disciples asleep, Told then to SLEEP ON, TAKE your REST, ARISE let us be going. That little nap has been going on for almost 2,000 years, DEEP SLEEP from seeing the Vision or the Truth of the Matter.

The Spirit of Truth is the Old Testament prophecies, Jesus had to fulfill them so they were established as Truth, So they could not be Truth if Jesus left one prophecy unfulfilled. Jesus had to go and die or the Spirit of Truth could not come into this world. It is the Old Testament prophecies which lead us into all truths. What God foretold.

Just a quick example:

Luke 12:25 And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?
26 If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?

Adding the Cubit is the Least, But if we can not do this, Why take ye thought for the rest?

OK, Christianity, What is adding the Cubit? If you have not done this, You might as well stop where you are, God sees what this is. What does Christianity see that it is? Is there one denomination which has this as doctrine and explains it?

Ken

What about this liberal view? It is written that "What God put together, let no man put asunder." Hence it is argued that if God did not put together a marriage, then it is neither God-sanctioned nor valid so that divorce is allowable.

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What about this liberal view? It is written that "What God put together, let no man put asunder." Hence it is argued that if God did not put together a marriage, then it is neither God-sanctioned nor valid so that divorce is allowable.

Which is what the Roman Catholic view is, isn't it? Certainly it was (and oddly: see below). When I myself got married it was suggested that I become a Catholic so I could marry in a Catholic Church. I'd been long divorced but my original marriage had been in a Protestant church. I was told, in all seriousness, that the Catholic church reserved the right to say I'd never been married, in that case, because the Protestant marriage didn't count. My new wife, a Catholic, had herself been divorced but her original marriage had been in a civil ceremony so she'd never been married either, as her Church saw it.If therefore I became a Catholic we could marry in a Catholic church. Presumably, in the event of our divorcing we'd now, for the first time, be committing a sin in that regard (divorce not being allowable)

By the way, the Protestant church refused to marry us at all.They, naturally, though my first Protestant marriage was valid in the eyes of their church

With thinking and attitudes like that to contend with, is it any wonder that people in Britain desert their churches?

The Protestant churches need to use annulments, like the Catholic church does. That way, a previous marriage, even a recognized one, just doesn't count. It worked for Ted Kennedy and Rudy Giuliani. (I'm not sure how they explain the children, though. Miraculous births? Spontaneous generation? Aak the Pope.)

Tsaeb.

Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Except it be that the spouse loves someone else, and the other is taking the wrong, and setting the spouse free. So the Committeth adultery does not apply if the person (They were speaking of wife, But either gender would apply) put away loves someone else.

In the middle of all this, there is another concept. That we are ONE as they are ONE.

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

This applies to people still alive on earth, they are not counted as married. Peter was not counted as married. Marry being the act, Given in marriage being the already married status.

That is why Jesus did not list any of the seven men as the woman’s husband after they had all died.

John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

So the Disciples were already considered worthy to enter that world, and were of that world where you neither marry or are you given in marriage, But are equal to the angels.



FredPuli

The Catholic Church does not accept as a marriage, a Protestant Service, But they do still hold two people married in a Protestant Church by a Protestant Minister as living in Sin because they are not really married.

Many married people (not married under Catholic rules) have been told to FIRST to separate, get to confession, Get it right, THEN get married correctly as they see it.

Divorce Italian style, then go to the confession booth, and you are free and clear? Unless the police find out. Would that be a pre-meditated confession?

I like what one Catholic used to say about going to confession when he was young, He would make up a confession, Never what he had really done, Then as he was about finished, he would say “OH, And I lied.”

Ken

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But they do still hold two people married in a Protestant Church by a Protestant Minister as living in Sin because they are not really married.

Would appreciate a citation on this from the Catholic Catechism.

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Tsaeb.

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Ken: Well, this surely sounds like why I cannot ever meet Mr. Right. As for my being an angel, I certainly have been called both an angel and a saint, although just the other day I was called a "f___g animal" in the supermarket. I drove that critter clear out of the store!

Tsaeb.

Mr. Right’s first name is “Always”. Meeting him is not good, To be married to him is terrible.

An angel is the measure of a man, The top limit for man status, was set by Jesus:

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

There are people who exceed this level of love, That lay down their lives for strangers, even for their enemies, and who lay down their lives in Service to all mankind. But they are seen as angels in God’s eyes.

They added the Cubit, Even if they did not see it:

Luke 12:25 And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?
26 If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?

What Jesus is saying here is, If you are going to follow me, You will need to try to love your enemy, to lay down your life, and to take up the Cross and follow me, or have a greater love then just for your friends. And if you are not willing to do this, then why take thought for the rest?

Being willing to really try to love others is the least of following Me, and needs to be done first.

Revelation 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

These are the 144 with Judas, they have the Cubit added. They are the angels given charge over Jesus. As they are likened to a wall, and Ezekiel said in that day, Every wall would fall to the Ground. When Jesus said “I am He.” in the Garden, they all went backwards and fell to the Ground.

That is why when Jesus spoke of Children, He said “Their angels do always behold the Face of My Father, in Heaven. Because their love from the start exceeds what most adults have.

Of that Hour knoweth NO MAN, Not the Angels in Heaven, Angels on earth was never mentioned.

Ken