The Comforter is not a person, A being, A Spirit being, an Angle, But He shall lead us into all truths. But not really a He at all.

A similitude for the Prophecies. God sent a lying spirit, able to persuade Ahab to go up and die in Battle:

1-Kings 22:20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him , and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

But it is that Jesus will go up and die at Golgotha to fulfill what God have foretold, all seen as lies till fulfilled. Then when they are all fulfilled, the Prophecies seen as lies or a lying spirit then become the Spirit of Truth.

So if Jesus did not go to the Cross, They would not have been fulfilled, and the Spirit of truth would have never come.

So the Spirit of truth leads us into all Truths or seeing the Old Testament Prophecies lead us into all truths.

Ken.

Ridiculous. The Spirit of God was over the face of the waters in the first chapter of Genesis.

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So the Spirit of truth leads us into all Truths or

There is no OR about it Ken, and this is where you are gone wrong. 2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in The word of God. Revelations 19:13 & John 6:63. The spirit is in those words. 1 Corinthians 2:13-15 KJV.

Tsaeb

What has the Spirit of God got to do with this verse:

1-Kings 22:21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

Then that Spirit goes forth as a lying Spirit.

You getting smarter? Last time you used 1-Corinthian 2:13/15 you included verse 16.

1-Corinthian 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Did Judas offend you, when it showed in Scripture that Judas did that? So offended you, You quit using that verse?

Ken

You getting Smarter starts a conversation with Philalethist,

Ken

1 Corinthians 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which is with me.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

This topic also got sidetracked, It was talking about the Spirit of Truth.

1-Kings 22:19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him , and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

God is involved with sending a lying Spirit. That is Scriptural. So is this:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Looks like Lying made two out of the seven.

So the question is, If God does not like Lying, what is really going on here, Just what is this Lying Spirit?

There were many prophecies which had not been fulfilled yet (actually all of them under the Heaven and earth had to pass first rule in Matthew 5:18) Many said they never would be. Lots of people doubted.

So God takes all the Prophecies, and list them as lies TILL they are fulfilled, This has Jesus going up and die in Battle to fulfill the Prophecies. Ahab was a similitude. So the Spirit of the Prophecies is made as lies, When they are all fulfilled, They are made Truth. The Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of truth which could not come, Unless Jesus went and fulfilled all the prophecies. Every jot and tittle.

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

Needs to drink of the Fruit of the Vine, New with them in the Kingdom (VINEgar will do, and allow Himself to die)

29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


When God added the Heaven and Earth had to pass. The day is made as 3 pictures seen as a week in Isaiah 30:26. First as 4 6-hour periods seen as 4 beasts with 6-wings, Sunset to Midnight is Old Heaven, Midnight to sunrise is Old Earth, Heaven and earth will flee from His Face, Seen as the Face of a Man, on the third Beast with 6-wings which is Sunrise to noon or New Earth, New Heaven is Noo to sunset.

Now Every single prophecy there is has to be fulfilled the day of the Cross. Even like “Let there be Light, which is Sunset to Midnight, I am the True Vine, I am the Good Shepherd, I am the Way, the Truth and the Life.

The Virgin Birth is now the Body of Christ born in Psalms 2:6/7. There is 144 with Judas, seen as a wall in Revelation 21:17. Multiplied by 1,000 in Deuteronomy 1:11. They are the angels given charge over Thee, they gather all things which offend (Jesus has all iniquity) from one end of heaven to the Other. They are virgins seen in Revelation Chapter 14, Seen as men travailing with Child as the Body of Christ is Born the day of the Cross.

Ken

To Bad, So Sad, Some never find the truth.

Matthew 5:18 was quoted. But failure is found from not following through. Luke 21:32, Matthew 24:34 speak of a time , not a single day but a generation. So it was written in Isaiah 34:4 that heaven shall be rolled together as a scroll. Revelations 6:14 Says it departed as a scroll. Therefore from those scrolls were written what is today called the Word of God, the modern Bible, Bibles for today there are many all because the first writings were not understood. So as Ken is doing here, they did in the past and what is being written is just another version of wrong again.

1-Kings 22:20 And the LORD said, Who [which I] shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit [an angel], and stood before the LORD, and said, I [the I of Ahab's self] will persuade him.
22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I [God] will go forth [get out of the way], and I [the I of self] will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his [Ahab's] prophets. And he said, Thou [the lying word by the spirit assigned to place it in the mouths of soon-to-be liars] shalt persuade him , and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy [not God's] prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee [all, and all have a lying spirit, because all have not learned to distinguish the reference of each pronoun when reading the word or when thinking by self alone].

So, Ken, instead of accusing Jesus and all prophets/prophetesses of being a lying wonder , accuse yourself of same , because you are not led by the Holy Spirit to teach others what is the truth .

I am not sure why I did not see a reply in e-mail that this post from Tsaeb was written, I might have missed it, and deleted it by mistake, But I do not think I missed Tsaeb saying there would not be any more posts responding to mine.

You butchered those verses pretty good. That is a SPIRIT, not an angel. Then you turn the Spirit to Ahab’s self? That sounds like Ahab then is an angel? Which would take it to God wanting Ahab the angel to go up and die at Ramothgilead.

All the Prophecies seen as lies till they are fulfilled and made truth the day of the Cross, Which changes the Spirit of lies, To the Spirit of Truth all at once.

Which is done by Jesus going up to Golgotha and fulfilling the prophecies, so they are not seen as lies, But now as truths.

God took the prophecies and had them as Not Truths till they are fulfilled, So they knew which ones God did give to the Prophets. So he likened them to lies till they were fulfilled and it offends you.

Psalms 119:165. Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

You back to talking? Or did you forget and slip up?

Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

A statement like “I will not talk to you anymore” is what Jesus is speaking about, You bind yourself with Pride. So forget the Promises, the Vows, the Covenants, the pledges, and remember we are humans, Do not say what we will or will not do, Peter was sure he would not deny Jesus, Sometimes, Silence is golden.

Look how soon children learn to bind parents with “You promised.” We do not know if we will be on earth in an hour, let alone exactly what we will be doing. Or how we really will respond to any given thing. Peter boasted, And it was already written, Smite the Shepherd, and the Sheep will be scattered, Not all but one.

Ken

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The Comforter is not a person, A being, A Spirit being, an Angle, But He shall lead us into all truths. But not really a He at all.

The Comforter... is not a 'HE' stated above by Ken.

John 16: 13 uses the word HE 6 times:

13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

and to add to this, it uses the word HIS once (same verse). That is virtually 7 times.

Did no research but I can safely conclude that there would not be a single verse in the Bible that has the word HE used 6 times. NOT ONE VERSE ! other than the one above.

And after all this the comforter is not a HE . Nice ....

Okay ken since the holy spirit is guiding you, we cant argue much here then.