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Various monsters and huge beasts are mentioned in the Bible - but the references are vague. The writers could be describing animals such as elephants and crocodiles, or just mythical scary critters. It's possible, I guess, that ancient people could have come across dinosaur fossils, and might therefore have woven stories about dragons and larger-than-life animals around those.
Why aren't germs mentioned in the Bible? Whole chapters about cleanliness rituals and health-care by animal sacrifice could have been replaced by "now wash your hands".
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quote: Originally posted by newnickname:
Why aren't germs mentioned in the Bible? Whole chapters about cleanliness rituals and health-care by animal sacrifice could have been replaced by "now wash your hands".
Not that "wash your hands" is a protection against the dangers presented by shellfish or pork  .Aren't these dangerous foodstuffs in a warm climate? Pork is dangerous anywhere if it's not cooked thoroughly, both are dangerous if they are not eaten fresh, and shellfish can also be dangerous because a) their feeding may take in hazardous substances and b)it's quite easy to cook shellfish such as mussels which , at first glance, look fresh and safe but which are not. Those appear to be the common sense reasons for some animals and fish to be forbidden. Is there any practical, health, reason for killing an animal as Jews (and Moslems) do?
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| Posts: 11798 | Location: Newmarket, UK/ Antibes, S.France | Registered: 07-14-02 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by DorianGreyed: "Is there any practical, health, reason for killing an animal as Jews (and Moslems) do?" You have to admit that eating them is much easier once they are dead.
Indeed, and they never have to worry about an oyster being still alive 
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| Posts: 11798 | Location: Newmarket, UK/ Antibes, S.France | Registered: 07-14-02 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by kittypal: If God created the beginning of earth why no dinosaurs in the bible?
NNN answer is good. The word dinosaur I believe is a new term from science. So you shall definitely not find this term in any ancient text. I am not agreeing or rejecting the bible here but merely suggesting that if you do want to see dinosaur referance in the Bible, they would proberbly be only in the manner NNN has described.
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| Posts: 1797 | Location: pakistan | Registered: 04-10-05 |    |
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Doesn't any kind of meat go off if you keep it warm enough for long enough?
I wonder if the taboo on pork and shellfish was more to do with a kind of snobbery. If you're a nomadic tribe (by choice or necessity), you have goats and cattle, which can move about with you. Pigs and shellfish are for people who've settled in one spot. If you wanted to emphasise the difference between noble herders and humble sodbusters or beachcombers, you might arrive at religious taboos on the others' foods.
Jared Diamond points out in 'Collapse' that the Vikings failed to stay permanently in Greenland because they wouldn't eat fish, through social rather than religious convention. Real men didn't eat seafood, apparently.
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Pork tends to go bad sooner and tends to lead to worms and other interesting diseases much easier than beef, goat, chicken.
Also there is Trichina mostly from pork, but in more modern times it rhymes with Bear as well. The other infectious hazards include Salmonella, Campylobacter, Listeria monocytogenes and Yersinia enterocolitica. Although these are also found in chicken, beef, goat, etc they tend to be higher with pork. Back in the biblical days it may have been more apparent that eating pork badly cook pork or pork that is off caused people to get sick more often than goat, cattle, chicken and the 'clean' animals allowed to eat.
This is why we were told way back in the middle of the last century and before to cook pork completely while we ate raw steaks or very rare. Of course now with the meat plants and all the bacteria scares due to immune systems being so dosed with antibacterials we humans are having a hard time dealing with rare cooked HB.
Shellfish have a high instance of allergic reaction - The onset can be sudden - meaning you could eat shellfish for years and then one day end up having Anaphylaxis.
How the Hebrews went about the slaughter (the kosher way to kill cattle) is to prevent blood from being stuck in the animal (the meat). Although in today's world slitting the throat of an animal is considered brutal back in the day it did make meat safer longer. Blood tends to lead to spoilage a tad bit earlier on we it comes to storing uncooked meats without refrigeration. Semi clotted blood in the body tends to be a great petri-dish of nutrients for a plethora of microbes.
Granted the Hebrew people knew nothing of bacteria and how they functioned, but it was most likely obvious that if one ate X and got sick more often than eating Y then X must be bad.
Dinosaurs are not mentioned in the bible. Leviathan and other 'creatures' may have been myth based upon found fossil bones. We are now pretty certain that the myths of giants by the Greeks are based on finding mammoth bones. If you see a mammoth skull the place where the trunk comes out look likes a single eye socket - ergo Cyclops.
Dragon mythology has a lot of details to them which remarkable describe their bones being like stone or rock sometimes even like metal - consider fossils, often they are replaced with rocky minerals - in a few rare occasions they have been replaced with metallic mineral ores.
The Stories of giants and Noah were written well after the flood event. The earliest books of the bible were orally passed down - so we are hard pressed to say how much change they underwent. Its like a game of telephone, were a line of people whisper a phrase the starting phrase is rarely, if ever the same as the phrase that comes at the end.
The earliest books of the bible most likely suffered through a great deal of Telephone Game Transformation. Most likely the stories and myths started out describing what today are paleontological finds, back then finding a thigh bone the height of a man would have been viewed even by the most common of people as being that of a giant human. Folk were not so much stupid as uneducated - they knew bones, they understood what a human thigh bone looked like - finding a giant one would lead to the conclusion that they had found the remains of a giant person - A Titan.
Further very few paleontological finds are even 50% complete finds - most are only of a few bones, imagine finding a rib bone, a few vertebrae, a couple of long bones - the closest comparisons would be the bones of animals or the bones of humans not of strange beasts that would require knowing how to fit bones together and fill in the missing pieces - but contemporary animals and beings since the believe was that the world was always as it was to them.
As we know the Flood story (as only one example) is not unique to the bible, other cultures from around the world have a flood disaster story, we can readily (and should) assume that everything else in the bible has its contemporary story in other cultures since cultures did pass on their knowledge to one and another and did absorb that knowledge and claim it as its own.
Dinosaurs (Terrible Lizards) are of the 19th and 20th century in name. And even the name may be wrong considering that more evidence and research suggests that Dinosaurs were warm blooded - meaning they were not reptiles, but birds.
We now know that ancient Greeks did find dinosaur bones and took those to temples and buried them as heroes - or as Titans - other cultures also appear to have found fossils and venerated them. We can only assume that if Hebrew cultures and Arabic cultures stumbled across fossilized remains that they too venerated or rose them up to be something which after thousands of years we can only guess at in the bible.
I very seriously doubt that man and dinosaur shared the earth at the same time. All the evidence strongly points that dinosaurs went mythical millions of years before the earliest hominids stood upright.
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quote: Originally posted by newnickname:
Jared Diamond points out in 'Collapse' that the Vikings failed to stay permanently in Greenland because they wouldn't eat fish, through social rather than religious convention.
Unfortunately, this idea isn't wholly supported by evidence.  Vikings ate large quantities of fish everywhere else they went, including, significantly for this theory, the Orkney Islands.There, stable carbon isotope analysis shows that some individuals derived 30 per cent of their protein from fish.Middens show almost as much fish bones as animal bones [source: 'The Fish Eaters of Viking Age Orkney',Orkney Archaeological Trust].In this, they differed from Iron Age predecessors on the islands. There is reference in Viking literature to the people eating fish: Chapter 29 of Egils Saga Skallagrimssonar: "His men went out fishing and seal-hunting...Skallagrim also had his men go up the rivers looking for salmon and settled Odd the Lone-dweller at the Gljufur River to look after the salmon-fishing"[cited by Viking Answer Lady, a site on Viking life] Greenland was an outpost of the Vikings, at best a fringe colony. Started in 986 ,it was finally abandoned by c 1485. By that time, the climate had changed for the worse ( the little Ice Age) and it had become subject to attacks from Inuit peoples from the North. The Vikings did grow crops and keep livestock, activities affected by climate change, but they did eat fish too.They had a mixed diet.The Vikings left but there is evidence that there had been fishing there before they did so:" other research has suggested that fish was a major source of food for Norse Greenlanders from the C13 onwards" says the Wikipedia article on Greenland, referring to this theory that an aversity to eating fish and having inappropriate farming practices were the cause. Fish eatersAnswer LadyGreenland
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| Posts: 11798 | Location: Newmarket, UK/ Antibes, S.France | Registered: 07-14-02 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by babthrower: quote: If God created the beginning of earth why no dinosaurs in the bible?
Maybe because the guys who wrote the bible had never seen one?
Good point! The dinosaur remains are found in places like Wyoming and China, not Palestine or Egypt.The writers wouldn't have seen any. Good job they weren't there: imagine trying to get a pair of them on the Ark.
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| Posts: 11798 | Location: Newmarket, UK/ Antibes, S.France | Registered: 07-14-02 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by kittypal: If God created the beginning of earth why no dinosaurs in the bible?
A simple answer is as follows: The good book is not about dinosaurs, its about little you. Read the book and you will find yourself in it.
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| Posts: 2190 | Location: Kingsford, MI USA | Registered: 06-13-02 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by philalethist: quote: Originally posted by kittypal: If God created the beginning of earth why no dinosaurs in the bible?
A simple answer is as follows: The good book is not about dinosaurs, its about little you. Read the book and you will find yourself in it.
I'm not Jewish.(Can't speak for Kitty  ).How is reading a lot of history about Jewish migrations and men who live to be hundreds of years old supposed to have any relevance to anyone? Why did God insist on including all of it in his Book about little anybody?
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| Posts: 11798 | Location: Newmarket, UK/ Antibes, S.France | Registered: 07-14-02 |    |
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God didn't write the Bible that's why.
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Seems only fair to post a dissenting view... 'We believe the earth was created in six literal, 24-hour days, about 6000 years ago. We believe dinosaurs have always lived with man. They were called "dragons" throughout most of human history. Noah took them on the ark (probably juveniles--just be sure to get a pink one and a blue one!). After the Flood, people killed most of them. There are probably a few small ones still alive today in remote parts of the world. See our video, Dinosaurs and the Bible for much more on the topic. www.drdino.com
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You know what totally boggles my mind when I read statements like the world is 6,000 years old?
The Roman forum and the Egyptian pyramids are between 2,000 and 5,500 years old. Neither have been overlaid with sand, clay, or even metamorphic rock such as limestone.
Yet look at the Grand Canyon. It has been eroded by water and scoured by wind and sand, and is a mile deep! and there are still fossils at the bottom.
In fact the science of geology was 'invented' in its modern form, by a man named Smith, nicknamed 'Strata' Smith, because though a good Christian, he used his eyes and his brain as he explored the mountains of Wales and elsewhere in Britain, and chipping away with his hammer, found fossils encased in the rocks.
His keen mind concluded that there is no way those things were encased in solid rock in an era just shortly before the oldest pyramids were built.
Why can't other people use their eyes and their brains, also? Instead of trashing the U.S. education system and making a joke of science.
Americans pride themselves as they endlessly repeat "The U.S. is the most powerful nation on earth." Well it bloody well won't be for very long if they destroy one of the things that made them great: good quality free education for every child. If the no-nothings have their way, only the rich will be able to have a decent science education.
What a shame.
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| Posts: 6961 | Location: British Columbia, Canada | Registered: 06-11-02 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by kittypal: If God created the beginning of earth why no dinosaurs in the bible?  The question assumes that the God-as-creator stories are real. quote: Originally posted by philalethist: Read the book
I have. quote: ...and you will find yourself in it.
I have not.
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| Posts: 4759 | Location: Rochester, NY, USA | Registered: 06-03-02 |    |
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Thanks for all the answers
lol Fred...yes..getting a pair of T-Rex on the ark might have been difficult.
The bible confuses me anyway...seems contridictory on several things...like multiple wives...
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"The bible confuses me anyway...seems contridictory on several things...like multiple wives..." What contradictions? (DG breaks into song) Gimme that old time religion, Gimme that old time religion, Gimme that old time religion, It's good enough for me.
It was good enough for Abraham It was good enough for Abraham It was good enough for Abraham And it's good enough for me.
It will take us all to heaven. It will take us all to heaven. It will take us all to heaven. And it's good enough for me.
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