John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Matthew 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

So what does this indicate ¿

In the first extract, Jesus seems to be saying that people who follow him will have some kind of light.

The second extract comes after this:

'1Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2and he began to teach them saying:
3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

13"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men...'

In it Jesus seems to be saying that people who act in those ways (i.e. follow him) will be blessed and have some kind of light.

Is it the use of 'be' in the first and 'have' in the second that suggests a problem? Is it important? Isn't it like 'be blessed' and 'have blessing'?

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11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Back to the basics: Because of me, should read because of the word of God, Rev 19:13

You don't think it possible that one entity could have several names, one of which could be "me"? Why insist on just one of those names, instead, even, of pronouns?

'Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Is there some reason that Jesus couldn't also be called "Christ", "The Lamb", "Son of God", "Faithful", "True", "(unknown)", "the personification of certain spiritual and philosophical ideas", "Word of God", "me", "him" and "that guy over there"?

You didn't clarify the points I raised in the second post. Could we maybe try to keep this thread on track? Why do you think there might be a contradiction? Is it because of 'be' versus 'have'? Does that distinction even exist in the original language? It maybe doesn't in some other languages.

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12His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Jeremiah 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

Revelations 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

So The word of God is that name above all names which no man can know unless he has received it.
So the context in which the word such as "ME" is used would indicate the Word of God in this case. However other words are used which do not stand out to some people as they read such as the word THEM.

Revelations 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

So the sword of the mouth is non other than a simple word called truth.

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

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So what does this indicate ¿

¿ is used in some languages indicating a question, however it is found before a question EXAMPLE:

"¿What does this indicate?"

I seen that and must say its a jolly good idea.

David: You should know that philalethist loves that scripture about putting hither thy hand; so, the upside down question mark is supposed to be the hand. Philalethist hasn't investigated the Greek alphabet for the more correct symbol--of His hand stretched out still.

philalethist: Watch out that you do not commit the sin of iniquity, as them, and put yourself into that stone. Stay on the rock of the hill, as they, in oneship with the one (|) who is also me.

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philalethist: Watch out that you do not commit the sin of iniquity, as them, and put yourself into that stone. Stay on the rock of the hill, as they, in oneship with the one (|) who is also me.

Iniquity = inequality where two are not equal. Was it not written: How can two walk together lest they be in agreement? So we come back to the original You are the light, and I am the light. If the two are not equal then iniquity is there.

Contradiction or not?

NOT!, but to understand why, you need to know Jewish culture.

philalethist: Iniquity is the sin of focusing on self. Self goes for stones--as opposed to bread or cake.

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philalethist: Iniquity is the sin of focusing on self. Self goes for stones--as opposed to bread or cake.

May I recall to your attention how when baking a cake every thing must be done decently and in the proper order such when to add the egg. If one adds the egg after the baking is done they end up with egg on their face.

I focus onto the Word, others add to it or take from it.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them (John 8:12). 21 And they shall pass through it (Rev 19:13), hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward. 22 And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

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Originally posted by philalethist:
John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Matthew 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

So what does this indicate ¿

John 8:12 does that mean he will lead them down the right path, the same one that Jesus went down to be nailed to the cross?

Mathew 5:14, then I suppose that wouldn't be in the Gaza or a hill top in San Francisco

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Originally posted by philalethist:
John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Matthew 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

So what does this indicate ¿

John 8:12 does that mean he will lead them down the right path, the same one that Jesus went down to be nailed to the cross?

Mathew 5:14, then I suppose that wouldn't be in the Gaza or a hill top in San Francisco

Ephesians 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

Precept on precept; Revelations 19:13, John 17:17, 1 John 4:8 so in this we find that 2000 years ago what was crucified was no a man but the The word, which is truth, which is love. Love and truth and one and the same. John 4:8 states that God is love, John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the life. John 10:30.

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Originally posted by philalethist:
Ephesians 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

Precept on precept; Revelations 19:13, John 17:17, 1 John 4:8 so in this we find that 2000 years ago what was crucified was no a man but the The word, which is truth, which is love. Love and truth and one and the same. John 4:8 states that God is love, John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the life. John 10:30.

Phil, settle down a bit and lets discuss what happened before Abraham and Jesus came along.

What do you have?

Discuss from the viewpoint of the creation of God, how it all came about .. the beginning.

You can reference what ever you want, but be really careful that what you quote was not stolen from some other place 6000 years ago or predates Abraham and Genesis..

Life and living are wonderful things, as is the light in the heavens and references to a God of light, wind, earth, fire and mystery.

Pity the Bible is all bunk

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

1 Samuel 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

I doubt we are speaking of contradiction.

Of course in their context what do those passages mean? As I recall the First verse comes from the incident of the stone where Jesus chastised the Crowd "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". The second comes after the Blesseds (ex Blessed are the meek...)

If I recall correctly the first was Jesus explaining how it is He could chastise the Crowd (basically I am the light of the world, and know of what I speak/ I am a worthy person to follow).

The Second is explaining what humanity is and its roll in the world. (You are light that should not be hidden worthy of being followed as a part of Me.)

The general condition of being a Christ Follower is that Christ Dwells within all of us. If He is the light and dwells with in us we will shine like lanterns with that light.

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The general condition of being a Christ Follower is that Christ Dwells within all of us. If He is the light and dwells with in us we will shine like lanterns with that light.

Then that makes me a contradictory dull boy in comparison to a Christ follower David.

IMO, a "christ follower" has a narrow view of the world outside of their bibles, that they focus only what the holy book tells them. That they may not be able to open their minds and hearts to other religious beliefs or non-releigious followers, seeking only that in the name of the lord is the word of God.

Each to their own beliefs, that is the way it is. Only please do not try to sell me your beliefs in the name of the lord

A narrow view may also be an opening to a wider view.

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.