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Some things Jesus did not understand at all. Like the Mustard seed, Faith like the seed has could move a mountain. I think Jesus believed what was spoken through Him to mean a very little bit of faith could move a Mountain, Just as it is conceived by Christianity.

The word itself IS a mountain which is the mountain spoken of. It only takes a little bit to understand it if one has faith that comes as in Romans 10:17 KJV. For the word itself is the master of assemblies and so it was written: Isaiah 8:10 KJV and forget not that Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God

Philalethist.

You see yourself as the Word of God, So that would make you both the Mountain and the Seed. So, what is that sea that you get cast into?

Ken

Ken: I give you credit for your patience and for directing your answer to the question. However, it is your answer without the Spirit leading, because you are typically mixing up scriptures according to your own imaginations. Well, you are accustomed to this criticism from a few of us.

Anyway, one basic thing annoys me about your dating system. You claim that since Jesus was born in 4 B.C., he was crucified in 29 A.D. No, Jesus was crucified in 33 A.D.: he just happened to be age 37, not age 33. So do we have to wait until 2033 A.D. for "the day of the cross according to Ken"?

No small matter: the day is God, and those who are discerners of time when they should be discerners of God are called "abominations" in Deuteronomy. Interpret "the Lord's Day" to be "the Lord is Day."

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Anyway, one basic thing annoys me about your dating system. You claim that since Jesus was born in 4 B.C., he was crucified in 29 A.D. No, Jesus was crucified in 33 A.D.: he just happened to be age 37, not age 33.

Could you both supply specific citations from anywhere in the New Testament which precisely date the birth and crucifixion of Jesus? And please, by this I don't mean your own extrapolations.

Tsaeb.

Actually I use a “The Reese Chronological Bible” for dates. And Not too often, But sometimes I do mention the Date of 2029 A.D. is based on 29 A.D. being the year Jesus was Crucified, as no exact date was ever recorded, that is seen in Scripture.

However, The Reese Chronological Bible has Jesus’ earthly life from 5 B.C. to 29 A.D. I see a mistake there. That would be 36 years. I see it as having a year “0", which would be the year of His birth. So I take it to born in 4 B.C.

Jesus was very much a Jew under the law, A Priest started serving God when they are thirty years old. Making Jesus 33 when He died. Joseph started to reign in Egypt at age 30, as did David.

GENESIS 41:46 And Joseph was thirty years old when he stood before Pharaoh king of Egypt. And Joseph went out from the presence of Pharaoh, and went throughout all the land of Egypt.

Numbers 4:2 Take the sum of the sons of Kohath from among the sons of Levi, after their families, by the house of their fathers,
3 From thirty years old and upward even until fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation.

2SAMUEL 5:4 David was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty years.

The Word Abomination is no problem. Jesus is the Abomination of Desolations when He takes all future sins upon Himself. For the overspreading of Abominations or Jesus taking future sins, He shall make it desolate or Jesus has to die.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The MIDST of the week is the Fourth time period from Noon to Sunset, Fourth seal is the Pale Horse, death followed by hell as Jesus died and descended into hell. His death ended the Daily Sacrifice, and other obligations which were required for sin, Burnt offerings, peace offerings, etc to cease.

The Consummation is all mankind consumed in Righteousness.

Isaiah 10:Isaiah 10:22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.

Jesus with all the dead is the Remnant that returns:

Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Isaiah 45:8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

God uses that which is despised, You want to be a vessel of Gold, No problem, I will be an abomination to God, willingly.

1-Corinthians 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea , and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

The day of the Cross is made as Darkness, the Birth of the Body of Christ with mankind, in that Body.

Matthew 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Jesus when baptized by John was carried by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted, The Wilderness is the House Jesus builds the day of the Cross, He is given 42 months to continue, Goes back and starts the three and a half year ministry.

There is a similitude in 2-Kings with Elisha when he first got power from God:

2-Kings 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Jesus could have taken the power from God, and had Israel rule, putting the Romans under their control. Instead Jesus curses the Children (or disregards their desire) and ministers unto the Poor and preach the good news to them for 42 months, a Jewish year has 12 30-day months, They did add an extra month some years, I think it was if Passover came before harvest?

So even with a 360 day year, they years would be right over the long stretch.

This is kind of cute:

Ezekiel 4:5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.
6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

The Three hundred and ninety days is a 13 month year, where an extra month is added. What is going on with the left side, or right side, Is two different ways of looking at things, as a “Year” or as a “Generation”

The day of the Cross is made as 7 days (Isaiah 30:26) and as three pictures as days or 10 days total, or 10 Generations to fulfill the law in Deuteronomy 23:2. Jesus is conceived outside wedlock to David by Bathesheba. Under the law, Could not enter the Congregation, Even till the tenth Generation,

10 100-year generations from the Birth of the Child to Bathsheba (1004 B.C. to 4 B.C.), Then God said He would send Elijah, then 400 silent years, or 10 40-year generations. Actually 396 yeas, But a Child does not enter the Congregation till age 12. Then the day of the Cross when all the prophecies are fulfilled and made truth.

God doubles twice to establish, Then brings it to pass:

Genesis 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.

Ken

The Reese Chronological Bible used a (Dating system copyright 1975 Frank R. Klassen)

Ken: I hate to be the one to tell you this, but there is no year 0. Imagine a number line of positive and negative numbers: while the positive numbers go right from the 0 as the negative numbers go left from the 0, the 0 on that line is only a point lacking any distance signifying a year.

juanruiz: Scoffield cites Jesus' crucifixion in 33 A.D. Otherwise, Ken did cite scriptures which confirm my vision, but I will not say how at this time except to remind you that Daniel wrote that God changes the times:

Ezekiel 4:5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.
6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

Tsaeb.

You are not the first one to tell me there is no year Zero. I will continue using year zero. And there are people who use it, It is used in Astronomy because it is needed to calculate with. Do a search on the internet, if you want to. It can be found.

As far as Scoffield, He is the one who claimed that Joseph could not have two genealogies (Did not understand Jewish law where a next of kin marries a widow to raise up seed to a dead brother.) So he stated one of the genealogies had to belong to Mary. Putting error into a lot of people’s thinking.

There is no genealogy for Mary, and she does not have to be of the Linage of David, The Child does, and is, He is the Child of David and Bathsheba conceived outside wedlock. Died 7 days after birth in 1004 B.C. Reborn in 4 B.C. being the first begotten of the dead, as a PRINCE as Revelation 1:5 shows, Jesus went to the Cross as a King (Psalms 2:6/7 the birth of the Body of Christ with us in that Body)

2-Samuel 12-4 shows which son of David is the promise, He took Bathsheba to prepare for the wayfaring man who come unto David, the Promise of the Messiah is who came to David.

Jeremiah 14:8 O the hope of Israel, the saviour thereof in time of trouble, why shouldest thou be as a stranger in the land, and as a wayfaring man that turneth aside to tarry for a night?

2-Samuel 12:4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.

It was the little Horn in Daniel who tried to change times and laws, Little horn is Peter telling Jesus those things which He had told them would not come to pass, Things placed in the Little Horn’s rule (Church age) till time, times and the dividing of time, or church age ends in 2029 A.D.

Woman in Revelation chapter 12 is Israel, She is kept from the Face of the Serpent for time, times and a half a time, or in 2029 A.D. Israel will see Jesus is the Messiah, and show it to most of mankind who will convert (Ezekiel 47:8/12)

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Ken

Still no NT citations as to explicit date of birth and death. 4 BCE simply functions as a terminus ad quem since it was the year of Herod the Great's death. This does not mean, however, that Jesus was born in that year. More precise would be Luke's information; the Great Census was a fact, and can be dated to 6 CE. However that pretty much kills your Matthew dating. There are also some historical problems with it.

Juanruiz.

I see the dates as a guess. Maybe an educated one, maybe not. I do think Matthew made some things up to link to prophecies. Not understanding all the actual prophecies are for the day of the Cross. Rachal weeping, for the Children. Calling His Son out of Egypt. Etc. I will let Matthew explain those stories.

As far as the Wise men, That would be seen in Isaiah Chapter 60:1/6 The Kings coming on Camels, who they were, Bringing Gold and Incense. Following a brightness, that 60:19 shows to be the brightness of the moon.

Unless Matthew made that one up also. All are in the Body of Christ, so He made us Kings and Priest so the Kings coming would be the dead raising with Christ.

The day as 3 pictures, 1=Horses, 2=Asses, 3=Camels, so they come on Camels. Or the third picture.

The moon seen as the establishment of the Throne in Psalms 89:37. The moon is turned to blood in Joel. As the Blood of Christ establishes the throne. So the Brightness of seeing the Blood of Christ, and what is did, Did bring the dead to come to Christ.

Zechariah 9:11 As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.

Mary offering the two birds, meant no kings with Gold had come to see Jesus, at least up to that point in time. Or the Lamb would have been what was offered.

As far as 6 CE.? Can the other information in Scripture for events at that time, and who reigned where support this? Or is it all not really supporting of each other from non-Scriptural sources?

What ever the date, 2,000 years from Jesus going to the Cross, Israel will follow Christ.

Ken

Ken: Those of us who do not agree with lots of the things which you write now have a recycling bin in which to toss your narcissistic fluff: year 0. That's your invention; there is no year 0 containing 52 weeks. (couldn't resist)

Tsaeb.

(Couldn’t resist)? Sounds like some kind of failed temptation test.

No year Zero means Jesus was born 1 AD. Which means when it becomes 2 AD, Jesus has his first celebration we call a Birthday, Really an anniversary of His Birth one year ago. So Jesus is One in year TWO. And 32 in Year 33 AD.

Using 1 AD as the Birth of Christ. In Math, ZERO is a Number. Number one then being One from Zero which has to be counted, and when you count backwards in time, Zero has to be used. People do not see 1 AD as the period from day one to the finish of the year of 12 or 13 Jewish months, But from the first year having already past, and heading for year two.

You could you the day of the Cross, God’s invention which is taken out of time all together. A space between Everlasting past and everlasting future, Kind of like God making a DAY ZERO, Count before it, Count after it. But don’t count that day. The day Jesus is AS GOD.

From Everlasting to Everlasting Thou (Jesus) art GOD.

Zechariah 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

As the day of the Cross is the Foundation of the World (new world) then God knew Jesus BEFORE the Foundation of the World. And the day of the Cross is the BEGINNING of the New World, There was no beginning of the old World recorded, The John 1:1 can have Jesus at the day of the Cross, “In the Beginning was the Word.” When Jesus did not exist till He was conceived by David and Bathsheba while she was still Uriah’s wife.

The COUNT on Sasame Street is helpful, But He does not go into Time, times and the Diving or half a time, Nor into For ever and ever. Nor into “From” Everlasting to Everlasting. Or letting the day perish wherein I was born. God uses those strange ways of seeing time periods, and spaces in time.

And year ZERO would not have been 52 weeks, They did not know 52 week, years, or leap years, etc. They knew Lunar months with 12 or 13 month years.

Ken

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Originally posted by Ken1Burton:
Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

How can anyone escape except by the grace of God, for we have all fell short.

If only Jesus knew that ! then perhaps he would not ask such a useless question...
Thank you Ken, now the quality of Answerpool has rised so high since you have arrived. There are certain things in the Bible, who are only knwon to God and then to Ken - not even Jesus is aware of the plan of God (as per Ken).


You might see a U turn, Nothing has changed, Jesus is God’s messenger, the words He speaks are the Father’s. Jesus or any messenger does not need to understand the Message, Just deliver it correctly.

I know nothing has changed in the Bible right now, but your message did within 2 post did. To be honest you and your kind are the worst creation of God, when it comes to the Bible/Quran enterpretations.
Some justify the Book to do honour killings, some to be a racist and you..... well no words can really describe accurately your insane arguments.

If you want to call what God is saying through Jesus, useless statements, But it is God speaking through Jesus, No different then a electrical speaker in a radio, it is not the radio speaking but the one on the microphone at the transmitter. The words which come out of Jesus were spoken by God into the Microphone.

Do you think I am from left wing person from USA? where a republican nut case will accuse me of something and then I will be all defensive ?

Little old me calling statements of Jesus useless ? Not me, but you. As some atheist and christians do here, you just gave an answer for the sake of an answer and simply got caught.

You made Jesus... well a nobody, a person not knowing anything. To be accurate you even made Jesus a liar. No big deal. Considering that now we can all assume that you are greater than jesus, knowing stuff about the Bible which even Jesus did not, it is your honour that must be preserved. After all how can be the HOLY Spirt be wrong.

I did see your panic button after my last comment, where some dozen Bible verses were quoted, claiming all point to the day of th cross. But now you are just repeating them. Cant you just write them all in one post/topic and then paste that link every time you respond? It will save a lot of space.

LUKE 16

The Rich Man and Lazarus
19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
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The entire story can be seen in the Bible and also the context.

So once again we have Jesus (as per ken), who is not only making useless statements, but EVEN lieing.
There can not be anyone in hell ..... blood of jesus paid for everything. So what did jesus see...OR what did God make Jesus say ...? I suppose more useless statements....! Jesus told people he saw the rich man in hell... and since there can no one be in hell... he lied.

Oh well i suppose this is also all similtude stuff. Let Ken the only one guided by the Holy Spirit for the past 2000 years, describe how this all relates to the day of the cross.

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Let Ken the only one guided by the Holy Spirit for the past 2000 years, describe how this all relates to the day of the cross.

bik, do stop worrying us. 'Ken the only one guided'. But what about tsaeb? What are we to do when they disagree? How is someone to know which is the true one ?

Let me repeat that it is really useless to even attempt to speculate on a year of Jesus' birth or death. Luke amd Matthew can't agree, which illustrates the historical value of the Gospels. Further, there is no indication of age of death. 30 or 33 are strictly traditional and seem to be symbolic, like the number of disciples, the length of time in the Wilderness, the time in the tomb, etc. The Gospels are Christian propaganda, which seek to further the advancement of a religion. When they clash with known historical fact, that becomes obvious.

Bik74.

You take things very emotional. Like “Ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” Without the people taking it personal that they are likened to vipers, Just plainly answer the question. “How can you escape the damnation of hell?

The only answer can be, that we ourselves can not, Only by the Grace of God can we escape what most knowing adults deserve. Which is separation from a loving God as no one can earn to be with Him for Eternity.

You seem to be forgetting something, We are speaking of what Jesus said almost 2,000 years ago, So there is what He knew then, and what He knows now. And the day of the Cross was made as Darkness.

Matthew 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

I have written many verses of the Day of the Cross, over and over, But your posts do not show you remembered or applied them, So they get posted again, as they are Scriptural verses which show where a concept is being seen as wrong.

Simple as A,B,C. If you do not learn them in School (assuming English is taught) then you will be having a A,B,C lessons over and over till you leave school.

That is when the person, if they did not quit early, gets a certificate of attendance, They were there, They did not learn.


The Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a Parable. Hell was a place of sleep till Jesus died for sins, then they were there till God set Jesus and them free as Zechariah 9:11 shows. Then hell ceased to exist.

There is no one in hell NOW. When Jesus rose, all the dead rose with Jesus, and even those in hell all left with Jesus.

Zechariah 9:11 As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.

Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

These verses have been posted many, many times in response to your posts, You try to show what I say, and get it wrong, so I post them again. You do not know what I am saying.

A similitude, and a Parable have a lot in common. When the Parable of the sower, sowing the word of God, He is not planting pages of Scripture in the Ground. And we are the Ground. It is a similitude, and if you know one parable, you can know them all, for they are all for the day of the Cross.

Mark 4:13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?


Those that had died before Jesus died for sins, was not saying, anything, till they were revived. As that took place the day of the Cross seen as 7 days, as three pictures of the full day. Then the rich man in hell also had to be during that time period. As all parables are for the day of the Cross:

Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

In the Vision of Daniel, He is dead, He is seeing the day of the Cross when Jesus comes to the dead, So He has no breath, He is in Corruption, He has no strength, He is asking how he can speak. All visions are looking at the day of the Cross:

Daniel 10:8 Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength.
9 Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.
10 And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands.

Daniel 10:17 For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

That is why Daniel is watching in Chapter 7 till the beast is slain, a Lamb is a beast of the field, and Peter the Little Horn said He would not deny Jesus, and Daniel is watching (the day of the Cross) to see if Peter does or not.

Daniel 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

God’s word like as a fire, a burning flame, as Jesus dies on the cross.


Juanruiz.

When you speak of “Known historical fact.” And accept these other sources as facts, There is something which is not being considered. When you list the Gospels as Christian propaganda, There are other factions at that time which also used Propaganda. And any records in those Gospels which could be put into question, Might well have been listed as error by altering dates of reigns.

Matthew 28:12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,
13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.
14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.
15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.

Christianity had enemies from the very start, Anything they could do, they well might have done, The dates are a guess, no doubt, and we really have no way of taking those very old documents of who was alive, who was dead, who had control over what areas. When the date of the tax was that is seen in Scripture as having Joseph and Mary go to Bethlehem, etc.

We have a lot of people today which input anything they can to distort, as well as then. So saying when Herod the Great died, Might be right, But it is really not fact. I am sure they knew if they listed Herod as dead a few years before the events listed as Herod did in the New Testament, that would cast doubt as to the writers of the Gospels being honest.

It is the Old Testament prophecies which bear witness to Jesus, and the Children of Israel are not about to change the Jewish Holy Scriptures to fit Jesus. And they bear witness to the Scriptures as being intact. THEIR Jewish Holy Scripture, Not Christians Old Testament which claims exist as to words being altered.

There are two groups of people seen in Revelation, they appear to be the same, they are not. Both keep the Commandments of God. One has the TESTIMONY of Jesus which are the Jewish people with the Jewish Holy Scriptures, the others have the FAITH of Jesus which are Christians:

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

The Jewish Scriptures which has God Speaking to Israel (Up to Malachi) existed about 400 years before a Child was laid in a manger in Bethlehem. Plenty of time to make copies, and some of them existed almost 2,000 years before the manger.

Israel not accepting Jesus as the Messiah (will accept Him in 2029 A.D. (Assuming 29 A.D. is when the day of the Cross happened) makes their witness of value, for they would not change those Scriptures to fit Jesus, Christians would be a poor witness in a court of law for any prophecy as there is a conflict of interest.

Ken

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Originally posted by Ken1Burton:

You take things very emotional. Like “Ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” Without the people taking it personal that they are likened to vipers, Just plainly answer the question. “How can you escape the damnation of hell?

The only answer can be, that we ourselves can not, Only by the Grace of God can we escape what most knowing adults deserve. Which is separation from a loving God as no one can earn to be with Him for Eternity.

From where, we come again to our original point. What a useless question jesus asked and again what a huge number of useless statements jesus made with regard to hell. If only God guided him with Holy Spirit, maybe he would have said things that meant something.

If God only saved some of the Holy Spirit , He gave you and instead gave it to Jesus, then these 2.4 billion christians would have known the truth.

You seem to be forgetting something, We are speaking of what Jesus said almost 2,000 years ago, So there is what He knew then, and what He knows now. And the day of the Cross was made as Darkness.

LOL. You are getting more and more amusing. Yes jesus knew nothing then but not he does. The Holy Spirit confirmed that to you, right !

I have written many verses of the Day of the Cross, over and over, But your posts do not show you remembered or applied them, So they get posted again, as they are Scriptural verses which show where a concept is being seen as wrong.

Simple as A,B,C. If you do not learn them in School (assuming English is taught) then you will be having a A,B,C lessons over and over till you leave school.


Oh you are at times so kind. You dont repeat these lengthy post to hijack a topic but to guide us. I understand we are not deluded like you, we have to be taught again and again till we to get deluded.

ken... ken... to be honest you are just one of many liars about the Book. You have proberbly prepared a number of post just to copy paste here on this site everytime. You just ran out of these posts some time ago and are now repeating your old ones. You are still safe as most people dont know about it, because they do not bother reading it.


The Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a Parable. Hell was a place of sleep till Jesus died for sins, then they were there till God set Jesus and them free as Zechariah 9:11 shows. Then hell ceased to exist.

Yes i said it too... it was a similtude stuff (why panic)... jesus did lie !. But if we look closely, when Jesus says someone is in hell... he means just ignore those words. The proof is that Holy Spirit told you about it and that is conclusive proof. It forgot to tell anyone else... (even Jesus) in the past 2000 years. But now we can rest with a sigh of releif as you have told us the truth .

When Jesus says to someone that you will be in hell forever, it means 'Then hell ceased to exist'. Perfect.

All "holy books" have as their priority propaganda, in its etymological sense, i.e., advancing ideas. It's pejorative connotation comes later. As for dates, with the exception of the Jehovah's Witnesses, who view Herod's death at 1 BCE, I have never read a reputable historian list anything but 4 BCE. Neither Luke nor Matthew were much interested in specifics, but rather all the miraculous occurrences surrounding the event: virgin birth, angels singing, Magi, a star, etc. These alone, for me, nullify any historical validity.

Juanruiz.

Cute, You have all “Holy books” as having priority propaganda, But then call the others sources as “Reputable historians”. So all the Gospel writers, are writing propaganda while the Historians are recording FACTS? Or did I get the wrong idea from your words?

You also seem to be saying that there are no factual miracles. So if any miracle is recorded, it is not true.

Many people see the Birth of any Child as a Miracle, Going from conception to birth, and all the child undergoes. So if it really is a Miracle like some think, You need to burn your birth certificate, It can not be true.

Ken