Newnickname.

They would have had to have something to link it, I showed the Prophecies which were available. Now where does it show the Astrologers coming and asking “Where is Alexander? For we have seen His star?”

Or did they first have Alexander the Great, and look back later for a Star or sign, and claimed it was for Him?

Ken

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They would have had to have something to link it...

Why? If someone wanted to say that Alexander the Great's birth was heralded by a star, why couldn't they just say that? Why would they have to link it to something? There's a Christian notion that the New Testament has to fulfill prophecies in the Old Testament, but that particular need for a link is irrelevant to Alexander the Great.

In my humble opinion, it's all made up. Actually, no births are announced by miraculous stars, but that doesn't prevent people from saying so, or believing so, if they want.

Anyway, the prophecy you showed us didn't say anything about the guiding star in the story of the Three Wise Men. It said that the neither the sun nor the moon would give light anymore, but that the Lord would be the light. Your suggestions that 'moon' means 'star' and that it might appear to stand still because of curved roads and so on don't really hang together.

Newnickname.

Christianity does not hold to Isaiah 60:1/6 as being prophecy or a similitude for the Birth (Rebirth) of Jesus at Bethlehem, All because of the first word “ARISE” or they would jump right on it.

Kings coming to the Brightness of thy rising, Coming on Camels, Bringing gift of Gold and Incense, The Glory of the Lord rising on Him.

Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.
2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.
5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.
6 The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD.

That is a little bit more then chance words in Scripture. They cannot explain how Jesus sent from God in Heaven can ARISE. For though God swore in His Holiness to raise up the son of David to be His Son after David had died, They can not see how God did that.

God used a 100 year generation seeing the Children in Egypt for 4 generations which was 400 years. So 10 generations means the Child of David conceived outside wedlock could not come for 1,000 years, It was 1,000 years later Jesus is laid in a manger in Bethlehem.

This is Scriptural, Sorry if people do not like the language god chose to use:

Deuteronomy 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

How could a person not enter till His tenth generation anyway? Except in similitude. God said He would send Elijah at the end of Malachi, Then 400 Silent years as God did not speak to Israel, or 10 40-year generations. The day of the cross when all is fulfilled, the day made as 7 days and three pictures of you will have tribulation 10 days, is also as 10 Generations to fulfill the law.

Children conceived or born outside wedlock are often hated without a cause, That is the only type of Child God would use. God set that up when He had Deuteronomy 23:2 written. Which means that David was set up with Bathsheba. God had just made the Promise to David, and this is the next Son seen born to David.

This gives great occasion for the enemies of the Lord to Blaspheme, Which is just what God wants to give them, Something they will not be able to resist, and have the one they will be speaking against, be the one who loved them enough to die that they would live.

1-Corinthians 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea , and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

This that follows is my opinion, But seeing how David loved the Lord, was just given the promise, then to go and take another man’s wife, and even have her husband set utp to die in Battle went against all that David seems to be. I wondered what would cause David to do such a thing?

He saw her bathing, She was beautiful, David probably had beautiful wives, He has all of Saul’s 10 wives, plus the ones He married, and could marry as many beautiful women as He wanted. He saw a badly beaten woman bathing, So He had no problem asking who she was, and having her called to him. Then later Uriah not taking the bait and going and trying to beat her again. Finally, David had him set up in Battle.

My opinion only, But something made David go way outside what He is seen as the behavior of David.

Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.

ARISE for the Brightness of the Moon which is Thy Light has come, But after this, They light will not be the Brightness of the Moon anymore.

Ken

ISAIAH 60
6 Herds of camels will cover your land,
young camels of Midian and Ephah.
And all from Sheba will come,
bearing gold and incense
and proclaiming the praise of the LORD.

7 All Kedar's flocks will be gathered to you,
the rams of Nebaioth will serve you;
they will be accepted as offerings on my altar,
and I will adorn my glorious temple.

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Anyone interested in Bible would know who Kedar is and I did refer to Isaiah 60 - 7 as refering to mosque al Aqsa in Jerusalem.

Other names above include :

Midian - Midian was the father of Ephah, Epher, Hanoch, Abida, and Eldaah.

Midian's descendants, the Midianites, settled in the territory east of the Jordan (Tobit 1:14)

Today, the former territory of Midian is located in what is now a small area of western Saudi Arabia, southern Jordan, southern Israel and the Sinai.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midian

Ephah - One of the five sons of Midian.

Sheba - The actual location of the historical kingdom is disputed between southern Arabia and eastern Africa; the kingdom may have been situated in either present-day Ethiopia or present-day Yemen.

Most scholars today believe that, at most, the kingdom of Sheba controlled some coastal regions of Ethiopia and Eritrea but was centered on the southwestern tip of the Arabian peninsula, modern Yemen.

source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheba

Nebaioth - is the son of Ismaiel (like Kedar).

so all the people mentioned in the above chapter are by and large ... jews, athesist, buddhist... no wait they are by and large christians. Or are they muslims ? oops.

Yes Ken all this is pointing towards the cross of Jesus ! All the above names are just random selections... God is stating useless words... and acutally these names refer to all humanity being covered by the blood of Chirst. Right .

Bik74

Cute, You used Wikipedia as your source. Guess who I used? Guess who showed me you cut a lot of relevant text out?

That is taking of then all being Gathered together to the Lord, Did you cut out the Gentiles?

Isaiah 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.
5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

That sounds like the Gentiles got the first row, and you are sitting in the Back? Not really, But it is not really as you are portraying it either. Jesus gathers all unto Himself the day of the Cross, Third day seen as sunrise to noon, People as waters all gathered together in the Body of Christ. “With His stripes we are healed.” That is Moslems also, As God concluded all in Unbelief.

The day of the Cross, You can not use Prophecy in the Old Testament of Jewish Holy Scriptures without going to that day to fulfill them.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?

Jesus drew all people unto Himself, it happened the day of the Cross, So He drew every tribe on earth, they all came to Him, Every single person.

So it mentions two of Abraham’s grandchildren through Ishmael, and two through Abraham’s wife Keturah, Which were not connected through Ishmael.

Abraham is the Second time period or day from Midnight to Sunrise, The Time of the Horror of great darkness, Midnight to sunrise is “Outer Darkness.” When Jesus took sin at Midnight.

Now Abraham has another Grandson, His name is Jacob, Which is the time period from Noon to sunset. See how God uses Generations?

Strange how when you try to get funny, You end up hitting right on the TRUTH.

You said:
Yes Ken all this is pointing towards the cross of Jesus ! All the above names are just random selections... God is stating useless words... and actually these names refer to all humanity being covered by the blood of Christ. Right

Ken

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Originally posted by Ken1Burton:
Strange how when you try to get funny, You end up hitting right on the TRUTH.

You said:
Yes Ken all this is pointing towards the cross of Jesus ! All the above names are just random selections... God is stating useless words... and actually these names refer to all humanity being covered by the blood of Christ. Right

Thank you ken.... you do give us a lot of amusement every now and then. All names refered in Isaiah 60 are now by and large muslims (opps again) and it does not matter. They were taken randomly and its just a coincidence that they are muslims.

13 "The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
the pine, the fir and the cypress together,
to adorn the place of my sanctuary;
and I will glorify the place of my feet.

14 The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the LORD,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
(Babylon - Iraq).

More coincidence...! virtually every group of people refered to in Isaiah 60 are muslims by and large (more oops). But ofcourse all this can't relate to Islam.
Christians and jews have to live with the fact that their Holy Land for the past 1000 years have been filled with a bunch of infidels. But all this is just a coincidence... God did not want chapter 60 of Isaiah to be to small. So he took some random names to make it sound catchy.
And besides in 2029 things are going to change.

All this is refering to Jesus who is similitude for the real person to come ie Joseph Smith. And when Jospeh Smith came, see who became the strongest country in the world? The country where Jospeh Smith died. We get your message brother ken.

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14 The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the LORD,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

Key word in this would be the YOU , that is if one gets it right.

Bik74.

You are using Muslim as only followers of Islam, Muslim is a true believer in God, Jesus and the Disciples are listed in the Quran as Muslims, So Being Christian or Christ-like, and also true believers in God makes Jewish and Christians Muslims also.

Had Jesus really followed Islam, what would have happened to the woman caught in Adultery? What would have happened to the town that would not receive Him?

Gentiles are not by and large followers of Islam.

You are still using verses which refer to the day of the Cross, The day as 7 time periods, 4 6-hour periods, then as 2 12-hour periods, then as one 24-hour period. The day seen as 7 trees:

Isaiah 41:19 I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together:

The day of the Cross is as a house built. The name of the House is the “Wilderness” where Jesus was carried by the Spirit to be tempted, The second picture is seeing Jesus in hell, or as desert or a pit where in is no water. So the 5th time period is the FIR and the 6th is the PINE, When the two 12-hour periods are brought together it is seen as the Cypress.

The Cedar is spoken of many times as the CEDARS OF LEBANON which is the first 6-hour period from sunset to midnight. It is also the “Feet” so the first 1,000 cubit measurement of the River, the day as a river divided into four heads or the Garden of Eden, The first is to the Ankles

Ezekiel 47:3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.

The 10 Disciples as Toes, Peter and Judas as Heels. So the FEET ARE COVERED as the first 6-hour period is fulfilled. The second picture is being seen backwards, so the first is last, and the last is first.

Psalms 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

The Last Supper was during the first 6-hour period from Sunset to Midnight.

Daniel 7:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

This is looking at the day backwards. This is Sunset to Midnight. The day being fulfilled is the Head of Gold from noon to sunset.

Jesus is the Holy City which came down from God out of Heaven, Old Heaven was Sunset to Midnight, The 144 with Judas is the wall, Multiplied by 1,000. The second 6-hours is Old Earth. And HE SHALL DWELL WITH MEN.

The sons of you oppressors WILL COME. As all the men of war bowed the Knee and said “HAIL KING OF THE JEWS”. Fulfilling “Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess.

Now guess how high the water is at the SECOND 1,000 cubits?

Ezekiel 47:4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.

Now the Knees are covered in Scripture. The third beast with 6-wings has the Face of a Man. As Jesus is Judged.

Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

So the third 6-hour periods are covered to the Loins.

I think you missed something else, the Holy Land or the Land of Promise is IN CHRIST. Not the land of the Middle East.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

That is the three and a half years of Jesus as He ministered on earth before going to the Cross. The Romans are in charge during this time, Gentiles.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

John is in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, or the day of the Cross, and sees Jesus being brought down from the Mount of Olives, with the 144 with Judas as a wall around the City (Jesus)

Jesus seen married to God, and to man, so we become one as they are One, in a marriage:

Isaiah 62:5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Old Heaven and Old Earth fled from His Face, seen as the Face of a man on the third beast with 6-wings, The day as three pictures, now as Jesus descending into hell, New Heaven is noon to sunset as Jesus died and descended into hell. So those in hell may enter into Christ. Jesus seen married to God when dead in Ezekiel 16:8, then plays the Harlot or LOVES EVERYONE.

The first 4 6-hour periods as a river divided into four heads, the day is all the Sevens in Revelation, the Lamb has 7 eyes, So God wipes the tears from their eyes, or the people as waters in the first picture, now as Sands in the Second picture seen as a desert. So the first picture ends, and Behold I make all things new as God now shows the day over again as the Second picture.

The fourth head or river is Euphrates which is also seen dried up in Revelation. Or doing the same thing, Preparing for the Kings of the East, or those out of hell, Being in Christ as Kings and Priests.

2029 A.D. things are going to change, As most of Islam is converted by the Nation of Israel to following Jesus in Truth. That goes for Christians seeing what is really truth through Israel also.

I am glad you get the message, it is not mine, And it might be a good idea to PLAN on accepting it.

Ken

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2029 A.D. things are going to change, As most of Islam is converted by the Nation of Israel to following Jesus in Truth. That goes for Christians seeing what is really truth through Israel also

2029 AD is somewhat far fetched. Does the Word Not say; Take no thought for tomorrow for the evil of the day is sufficient? Does the word not say; Today is the day if you will hear his voice?

Philalethist.

All the prophecies were far fetched, Between 400 to 2,000 years.

NO, The Word does not say that:

Matthew 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Sufficient unto the day, is what is Evil, as if you have today all covered, Not even knowing what is coming today, that you can advance and start covering Tomorrow.

God always wants people to come to Him as soon as possible, and it is always TODAY. And that is for each person to seek His voice today, Do not wait, or take thought that you will consider it another day, or tomorrow, but not Today as you have others things to do.

So Today is the day you start a personal relationship with God. If you WILL hear His Voice, and that is a CHOICE for you, Not if you CAN hear His voice, But if you WILL Hear His Voice.

Ken

Same difference. This is just more squirming on your part. As far as hearing his voice, I have, and clearly you have not.

This verse is a special one just for you: 1 Corinthians 8:2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. 8:3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

If you knew who God is you would not post the way you do. You throw verses out like chaff to the wind in your attempt to make others look worse than you knowledge actually is and in this you are a failure.

Philalethist.

I have no problem with Squirming, it is the REASON for Squirming:

Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?

Jesus is their (our) Worm which went into hell and dieth not. Nor did God’s word like as a fire get quenched, It got Established the day of the Cross by being seen as three pictures.

Genesis 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.

Great, I knoweth NOTHING which is Christ’s age which is as NOTHING. “Yet as he OUGHT (should know) to KNOW.

“The same is known of Him” is God knows the Person who loves Him. Not all who love God, really knows God. I showed you before the test of knowing God is by knowing of the things God said He would mention to those who KNOW HIM.

Psalms 87:4 I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon “”“to them that know me:”“” behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this man was born there.
5 And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her.
6 The LORD shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah.

The Verses are used many times as Seeds, So to Scatter them around is what we were told to do. You assume what my attempt is for. You take a lot of things personal.

An Encyclopedia has knowledge, But it is just what others have placed in it. Seeing God speaks through people. Maybe you ought to consider just who the Knowledge belongs to. I have what I was given, as I was listening also when the Messages were relayed. But it is still what I was given. For no one can have a Truth except it was revealed to them by God as being a Truth.

I do not mind being a failure. Like the different types of Vessels, Most want to be a Vessel of Gold, But maybe God wants a willing Vessel not of Gold:

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Wrath is the third picture, Those fitted for destruction or those in hell were raised the third day, and now are by the Gates of Heaven showing those who do not want to go in the love and Mercy of God, They are the ones who came out of great tribulation, who serve the Lord.

Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

It is not if you are a failure in the eyes of men, But what are you in the eyes of God?

Ken

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It is not if you are a failure in the eyes of men, But what are you in the eyes of God?

Ken

Once again, as I said before, Before you run off at the mouth you should know who God is and You don't.

Philalethist.

Seeing you think you are the Word of God, and that Jesus is Nothing, and God’s word is an attribute of God Himself, You must think you are God Himself. So go tell the One sitting on the Throne of God to “Move off Your Throne, and don’t sit on there again.”

And as you feel Jesus and the Flesh profiteth nothing, You can toss Him out also.

I not only know who God is, I know who is not God, and that is you.

Ken

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Bik74.

You are using Muslim as only followers of Islam, Muslim is a true believer in God, Jesus and the Disciples are listed in the Quran as Muslims, So Being Christian or Christ-like, and also true believers in God makes Jewish and Christians Muslims also.

Had Jesus really followed Islam, what would have happened to the woman caught in Adultery? What would have happened to the town that would not receive Him?

Gentiles are not by and large followers of Islam.

Nice really nice... Gentiles are today almost the entire world population. 1.4 billion muslims to aboout 2.4 billion christians.
Isaiah 60 (3-6) is fullfilled by both christians and muslims. Trust you to pick the most inconclusive verse and claim you are right.

The ones where actual names are written (Khidar, Midians etc) they are only muslims.
But i forgot they are random names. God wanted to act a bit cool . He had some spare time so spoke some useless words.

And now we have muslims who as per KEN can be anyone lol. A true christians can also be a muslim.

Is that a real answer ? really is it ? Is this suppose to negate my claims ?

If it really is an answer then know this. Khidars are muslims BUT they have never been christians. And more importantly do not share your or a christians view point about Jesus.
And that is going to change in 2029 . Just like christian claim that the prophecies Jesus did not fulfill, will be completed in his second coming .

Advise to you. Dont get yourself involved with facts or history. That is not your area. You have been patethic at every attempt to quote facts.
Stick with what you do best. Quote a dozen verses, claim they are similitudes, pointing towards the cross.

Bik74. I did not mention Gentiles follow Islam, But I assume many do, as well as many Arabs being Christian.

You sure about those figures you gave?

When you say Isaiah 60:3/6 is fulfilled by both Christians and Muslims, That might be for True believers in God, But Islam has another 600 years before it would start.

The ones called wise men in Matthew were not followers of the Quran. Not about 4 B.C. (Our Calendar is about four years off)

They were true believers in God, and came to Worship Jesus as the Son of God. So what ever you wish for the Word Muslim you are using to mean, They were true believers in God.

Matthew 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

I am sure if the Quran showing that Jesus is a Muslim or True believer in God, then any Christian who truly believes in God is a Muslim also. That is a True Believer, Not a follower of Islam.

You might want the word Muslim to only apply to followers of Islam, Sorry, it means a true believer in God, And true believers in God has been going on for thousands of years. before the Quran was ever written. Calling them Muslims I have not heard of before the Quran was written. No where in Scripture is the name Muslim applied to Abraham, Jesus or the Disciples of Jesus.

As far as Khidars, What each and every one of them believe, or what faith they have held. Would only be an assumption. For anyone to make, Except God who knows the Minds and hearts.

Now your starting to get things mixed up. A lot of Christians believe in a physical second coming, I do not because of John 14:19. I speak of the Jewish Nation seeing Trough Scripture that Jesus is the Messiah in 2029 A.D. then most of the world, and I use the Bible as the source of that concept. Christianity does not hold to this concept.

As far as any unfulfilled prophecies, That would be quite different between the different denominations, There is no set prophecies which all believe would be fulfilled at a Second coming, and there is a lot of difference just what would happen at a second Coming.

There is no reason to give advice to a messenger what He should speak, Go to God direct. Tell Him the Messages you want sent, How you want them worded, Etc.

That is like a message in front of a Church, “Many people want to serve God, But only as advisers.”

Ken

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Originally posted by Ken1Burton:
Bik74. I did not mention Gentiles follow Islam, But I assume many do, as well as many Arabs being Christian.

You sure about those figures you gave?

When you say Isaiah 60:3/6 is fulfilled by both Christians and Muslims, That might be for True believers in God, But Islam has another 600 years before it would start.
?????
The ones called wise men in Matthew were not followers of the Quran. Not about 4 B.C. (Our Calendar is about four years off)
Isaiah 60 has no relation with Jesus nor the wise men.

They were true believers in God, and came to Worship Jesus as the Son of God. So what ever you wish for the Word Muslim you are using to mean, They were true believers in God.

You have no clue or ANY information about the wisemen as there simply is no information available.
Sad last time you quoted that worship is for God only (not even the son). And now you claim these wisemen were true believers of God and ready to worship His son ! Nice.
Either way ISAIAH 60 has nothing to do with them.

I am sure if the Quran showing that Jesus is a Muslim or True believer in God, then any Christian who truly believes in God is a Muslim also. That is a True Believer, Not a follower of Islam.

You might want the word Muslim to only apply to followers of Islam, Sorry, it means a true believer in God, And true believers in God has been going on for thousands of years. before the Quran was ever written. Calling them Muslims I have not heard of before the Quran was written. No where in Scripture is the name Muslim applied to Abraham, Jesus or the Disciples of Jesus.

I am sorry but muslim does refer to followers of Islam.
Islam refers to enter into peace by believing in ONE God (not trinity) and following His commandments (surrending ones will to Him). All true prophets of God did that and hence were muslims. Muslim term applies ONLY to the follower of Islam. Now try a new topic if you feel like seeing the term muslims or Islam in the Bible. This has no relevance here.

As far as Khidars, What each and every one of them believe, or what faith they have held. Would only be an assumption. For anyone to make, Except God who knows the Minds and hearts.

Nice, that is again desparation on your end. Are we sure that 100% of khidar are muslims today !
Sorry but no amount of twisting of the word, can change the fact that Isaiah 60 reference to Khidar can only refer to the Islam founded by Muhammed. The only sorry excuse a christian or a jew can give is that this is yet to happen. Sad.

PS: english is not my language but inequity does not mean sin but unfair, bias etc.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inequity

Bik74.

You see what you want to see. I gave you what I saw, You want to see something else. So there is no basis for any use of the Scripture between us.

I showed what Matthew recorded the wise men as saying they had come to Worship the Child. What I feel the Worship is for, and whom others worship if that was indeed their words. Is answerable to themselves.

All the Prophecies were fulfilled the day of the Cross, If it did not happen there, it was not a prophecy. God got all His Prophecies fulfilled and made truth then, Everyone was saved the day of the Cross, The Khidars also, No matter who or who they believed it. God concluded all in unbelief.

What is the word inequity? Being brought up for? You mean INIQUITY. Which does mean sin.

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Ken

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Originally posted by Ken1Burton:
What is the word inequity? Being brought up for? You mean INIQUITY. Which does mean sin.

My mistake there.

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