If Mr.X, coverts into Christianity and truly belives in salvation story, will "ALL" his pre-coversion sins wash away by the blood of Jesus?

Would he be given any punishment under Christian law if it is known that during his pre-conversion period he was primarily responsible for a big crime/sin like 9/11. However, his conversion was a true conversion and he has been an upright christian since then.

I believe the standard doctrine is that once converted to Chrisitanity and baptized, your previous sins, no matter how heinous, are absolved. Witness Karla Faye Tucker.

Is there any country in the world where this Christian law is being followed? Where people would be absolved for their grave crimes upon being reborn or on conversion.

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Originally posted by Insaf:
Is there any country in the world where this Christian law is being followed? Where people would be absolved for their grave crimes upon being reborn or on conversion.

The definition of "Christian Law" being literal would mean to say that it was a law given by the man, Jesus Christ when he walked the earth as a man since he was the ONLY one given that authority from God. He did give one law and in giving that law stated that following that one law would cover the old Judaic law in completion. That law was to love one another even as I have loved you.

Is that being followed in any country? Sure, but it is being followed by individuals who make up governments... if that is what you are asking. Are governments basing their governing laws on this law given us by Christ? No. Not that I have been made aware of.

And to address to your question of sin.

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If Mr.X, coverts into Christianity and truly belives in salvation story, will "ALL" his pre-coversion sins wash away by the blood of Jesus?

Yes. Jesus blood is sufficient to cover even the sins of non-believers who reject Christ. It is only their rejection of the atonement that Christ paid that will ultimately doom them to hell. God doesn't send people to hell. They choose that for themselves.

And finally to address your "big sin" question.

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Would he be given any punishment under Christian law if it is known that during his pre-conversion period he was primarily responsible for a big crime/sin like 9/11. However, his conversion was a true conversion and he has been an upright christian since then.

The blood of Jesus is sufficient payment to God for all true converts' sins. There is no need for additional payment. What you are saying is equal to that of someone having to pay for the same car twice. Just because someone bought a more luxurious car, doesn't mean the dealer has the right to ask for double payment. Once paid always paid. One price, one payment, one time.

Oh, and just to let you know that there are no BIG or little sins to God. Sin is sin. Regardless of how we finitely quantify it, God is bigger than we can even fathom. There is no size to sin for God. It simply can't exist in His prescence. That's why Jesus had to die and had to spill His blood. It was the ONLY payment that could be sufficient to cover any sin.

Even if the only sin that had to be paid for was Adam's original sin, Jesus would still have been the one and only payment that was satisfactory to cover it.

The above statement seems to be a contradiction to Romans 1:32 KJV

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Is there any country in the world where this Christian law is being followed? Where people would be absolved for their grave crimes upon being reborn or on conversion.

I get the impression you're referring to the criminal justice system. I would hope no country would follow that approach.

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Originally posted by juanruiz:
I get the impression you're referring to the criminal justice system. I would hope no country would follow that approach.

You got the right impression. I also hope for the same. I think that no country can practically follow that. I cant even conceive as how it could have been followed in the days when the Church and State were not separate. Maybe I should read more history.

In Europe for centuries a man's temporal body and his immortal soul were considered separate in terms of the law. In fact, believe it or not, burning at the stake was believed to purify the heretic so that he might enter heaven. Check out the story of Jean d'Arc.

Thanks Juan.

Blood is life and his life was the word and that is the reason for Revelations 19:13. Many things can be done with words such as in John 1:1, after which comes the allegory but some get snared in the allegory and never get the message behind it.

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Many things can be done with words such as in John 1:1, after which comes the allegory but some get snared in the allegory and never get the message behind it.

Good observation, phil

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Thanks Juan.

You're welcome.

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I think that no country can practically follow that...

Christianity, as set out in the Gospels, is a religion for the powerless. Jesus asks people to love their enemies, to turn the other cheek if hit, and challenges a crowd who want to punish a wrongdoer - "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Those ideas just don't seem to be compatible with governing a country - administering justice, defending borders and keeping order. Some (the current Dalai Llama, Ghandi and Martin Luther King, for example) have demonstrated how a pacifism like Jesus' might work practically in the most difficult circumstances to fight injustice, but not how it might work in day-to-day government.

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...However, his conversion was a true conversion and he has been an upright christian since then.

I'm guessing that, if someone had committed some atrocity and then converted, more would be expected of him or her than just being an upright Christian - expected by other people, I mean; it does seem that, according to Christian doctrine, there's no sin too big to be forgiven by God (except The Unforgivable Sin, but nobody seems too sure what that is, exactly).

Presumably if such a person had seen the light, they would feel compelled, at least, to voluntarily devote their life to some kind of charitable work in penance.

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Is there any country in the world where this Christian law is being followed?

There was a kind of 'Christian Law' in England - the Church Courts, which apparently still had some functions up to the nineteenth century. They wouldn't have been involved in judging murderers:

'The church concerned itself with the morals of the community and instigated cases on defamation, some types of slander, unseemly behaviour in church, working or rowdy drinking on a Sunday, neglecting to have children baptised, simony, heresy, witchcraft, usury, adultery, fornication, incest and bearing a bastard.'

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Originally posted by newnickname:
.. there's no sin too big to be forgiven by God (except The Unforgivable Sin, but nobody seems too sure what that is, exactly).
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Unforgivable sin. That is interesting.

Mathews 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

As far Islam is concerned I am not aware of any Sin against the God for which one cant seek forgiveness in this world.

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Originally posted by Insaf:

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Originally posted by newnickname:
.. there's no sin too big to be forgiven by God (except The Unforgivable Sin, but nobody seems too sure what that is, exactly).
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Unforgivable sin. That is interesting.

Mathews 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

As far Islam is concerned I am not aware of any Sin against the God for which one cant seek forgiveness in this world.

Was it not written that the sting of death is sin? To fail to live ones life to its full extent before it ends is that mortal sin.

Deut 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: 20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he IS thy life , and the length of thy days: Amos 5:14 KJV

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Originally posted by Insaf:
As far Islam is concerned I am not aware of any Sin against the God for which one cant seek forgiveness in this world.

To fail to live ones life to its full extent before it ends is that mortal sin.

If you read, I have said forgiveness in this world. If you die, the doors of repentence/forgiveness in this world closes. However, as long as a person is live he may seek forgiveness and there is no "sin against the God" for which one can't seek forgiveness in this life.
Note that I say "Sin against the God". This is because if you commit a sin against a human, you need to seek forgiveness from that human while you two are alive. Otherwise the case would be deferred till the Judgement day.

I see you use the term, "In this world" often. Must be you have knowledge of another?

As to my knowledge this world, the one we are in now is the only one known to support life.

But your original qestion was, "How good is the blood of Jesus". Well to make a long story short, Blood is Life and his Life was the word. As a book it makes hard reading for some, and good living for others.

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Originally posted by philalethist:
Must be you have knowledge of another?

Yes, muslims believe in life in hereafter. And that faith on the unseen is primarily derived from the Quran.
My current understanding is that most Christian schools of faith also belive in some sort of after life.

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Originally posted by Insaf:

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Originally posted by philalethist:
Must be you have knowledge of another?

Yes, muslims believe in life in hereafter. And that faith on the unseen is primarily derived from the Quran.
My current understanding is that most Christian schools of faith also belive in some sort of after life.

I am not a Christian and their schools of blind faith may not have it right. To believe and to know are to separate items.