If he isn't the King of the Klueless he's certainly in the line of succession. Confident of the support of the ignorant and superstitious, here's another recent boorish quote by this pimple on the ass of reality as reported in the Interfaith Alliance newsletter:

"Robertson and a fellow CBN newscaster were discussing the confirmation of Rev. Gene Robinson, the newly elected (and openly gay) Episcopal Bishop. In the newscast, Bishop-Elect Robinson said he believed that God wanted him to go through with his consecration. At the end of the newscast, Pat Robertson retorted, 'God wants him to go forward?…well God also wants to destroy the Episcopal Church. So that is fine with me…'"

Robinson shouldn't be repudiated so much as scraped off one's shoes.
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10-25-03, 01:59 AM
tsaeb
Xaurreaux: I also surmise a degree of calculation in his political statements. He loves making political statements. Well, he is the only major voice around for the fundies (fundamentalists) who is bringing in the sheep, I mean, the funds for the Christian stand. I watch his show. He is doing what so many of his viewers want, and they send him the money to continue to do it. It's good showmanship. Yet, he can only be as effective as certain societal segments (e.g., the courts, the media, academia) allow. A voice crying in the wilderness--and he has asked for a few more years to be such, given that he has passed his 70 birthday--should not be found to be so annoying.

I cannot resist. Too many times, as I watch his show, I wonder in what year he will invite me on to inform the people as to what is true prophecy. He can let his conceit get the better of him so that, yes, his viewers are led as mindless sheep by him, instead of as informed leaders led by the Holy Spirit. There. I wrote it, and I, too, feel a lot better. So do not think that your camp is the only camp which feels snubbed by the leader of the right-wing pack. I must have made your day!

[This message was edited by tsaeb on 10-25-03 at 02:11 AM.]
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10-25-03, 07:06 PM
DvdGStwrt
Pat, Jerry, And folk like them are not really responsible for their actions.

First of all, we can assume that they never met a gay person, would know a real gay person even if they walked up and slapped them in the face and would never, ever willingly take the time to learn about a gay person, what makes them tick in other aspects of life.

Thus they are ignorant.

Secondly, they are raised and live by a set of doctrine which is based on myth-conception and the mentality of a civilization that is long dead and was, at the time it lived, having to enforce strict breeding practices in order to over come early death, infant mortality and the slings and arrows of primitive life.

The Doctrine, like concrete, is throughly mixed and firmly set -

Thus they are prisoners of traditions that they never made.

Lastly, their ignorance and their failure to understand that the world needs gays to counter the ever growing issue of overpopulation is inbred and comes with the territory of being, well, just old.

Can't blame them. Endure them we must.

Their "popularity" is simply because the Media is stupid (there is a difference between stupidity and ignorance) and will, through that stupidity, print, film, record and replay those words of wit for $$$$$.

David
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10-26-03, 01:51 AM
XaurreauX

quote:Originally posted by tsaeb:
I also surmise a degree of calculation in his political statements.


Phew! And I thought I was the only one who caught it. Roll Eyes

quote:A voice crying in the wilderness--and he has asked for a few more years to be such, given that he has passed his 70 birthday--should not be found to be so annoying.


Yeah, my heart BLEEDS for him.

quote:Too many times, as I watch his show, I wonder in what year he will invite me on to inform the people as to what is true prophecy.

Funny, I'm also wondering why he hasn't called you. I'll be waiting right along with you.

In the meantime, if you receive the public access cable TV show "Atheist Viewpoint", produced by American Atheists, Inc. you can catch me co-hosting with Ellen Johnson, president of American Atheists. It is shown in 40 cities throughout the US (Garcola saw me on his local public access channel) and is on Channel 56 in Manhattan Sundays at 1:30PM.

quote:I must have made your day!

Well, you did give me a chuckle.
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10-26-03, 01:21 AM
XaurreauX

quote:Originally posted by DvdGStwrt:
Pat, Jerry, And folk like them are not really responsible for their actions...Thus they are prisoners of traditions that they never made.

I'm assuming that you're kidding. They most definitely must be held accountable for their words and actions. They must be repudiated and shown for the charlatans and parasites they are.

quote:Thus they are ignorant.

They are crazy like a fox. They are liars, bigots and manipulators. Their ignorance and that of their followers is willfull ignorance. It is not a failure to understand; it is a refusal to understand. And even if weren't, that is no excuse for the complacency of those who know better. For example, bleeding a patient is not a cure for disease and is potentially lethal regardless of whether the "doctor" performing the procedure sincerely believes that evil spirits are being let out of the patient's body.

quote:Lastly, their ignorance and their failure to understand that the world needs gays to counter the ever growing issue of overpopulation is inbred and comes with the territory of being, well, just old.



Gimme a break! The world does not "need" gays anymore than it needs heterosexuals. Gays aren't going to save the world from overpopulation; education and birth control will. One way to further this cause is for people to grow up and realize that an aging (and celibate in the case of the Roman Catholic Church) heterosexual male clergy has no business intimidating people with the rubbish that they speak for "God" and telling women what to do with their bodies.

quote:Can't blame them. Endure them we must.

Please tell me you're kidding. Eek
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10-26-03, 05:43 AM
tsaeb
David: Although I agree with your first implication that sensitivity training is in order, I cannot agree with the myth stuff. In fact, today the thought occurred to me (oops, the Holy Spirit was working) that the Bible's anti-homosexual and also anti-adultery and anti-fornication rants are in there to get across the point that sensuality of any kind outside of marriage detracts from sanctification. Yet, we are still wondering how God incorporates homosexuality in His plan, since all things work together for good for those who are called according to His purpose. Can it be that homosexuals are not called according to His purpose? Not necessarily, because all have sinned and come short of God's glory. I would like to determine the role of homosexuals in God's plan. I'll work on that one some more.

Xaurreaux: So you want me to see if I can listen to you rant on my TV from Queens, eh? After I write on my website what I think of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling regarding homosexual practices, you can decide if you want me on your half of the show. Oh, I love to be playful. I suppose that you are not used to a believer who is real, or are you? P.S. GarColga would throw himself down as if slaying in the Spirit if he ever saw you and me together. GodFactor would have a heart attack. KK would cry his eyes out laughing. Thank God for a good imagination!
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10-27-03, 10:41 AM
XaurreauX

quote:Originally posted by tsaeb: Xaurreaux: So you want me to see if I can listen to you rant on my TV from Queens, eh? After I write on my website what I think of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling regarding homosexual practices, you can decide if you want me on your half of the show. Oh, I love to be playful. I suppose that you are not used to a believer who is real, or are you? P.S. GarColga would throw himself down as if slaying in the Spirit if he ever saw you and me together. GodFactor would have a heart attack. KK would cry his eyes out laughing. Thank God for a good imagination!

You've actually just given me an idea. After the first of the year I may be hosting a local cable show in addition to "Atheist Viewpoint". This one, if it happens, will be produced by NYC Atheists, of which I am a member. We expect it to be a live call-in show, which is a virtual invitation to loonies to vent their craziness. In any case, since you claim to be a prophet, with the other producers consent we could have you on as a guest. Should they producers approve I'll be in touch for more information. This is all a big IF, of course, since we're still not sure the show will happen at all. Anyway, I will visit your website.

You
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10-28-03, 05:33 AM
tsaeb
Xaurreaux: You and I on the same show would be a lap slapper. Anyway, somehow I had gotten the impression that homosexuality is discussed as well as atheism on your present show. I think that a post here by David threw me off. Now, I think that the main point of your present show is atheism but that homosexuality might be a sub-theme in that neither the atheist not the homosexual--and especially not someone who is both--are or are thought to be too beloved by mainstream (eh?) religious folks. Yet, you did mention that homosexuals have enough problems, which suggests to me that you do quite frequently discuss homosexuality on your present show. Does the topic of homosexuality and theists come up for discussion in the atheist media? Oh, you probably make it come up, the topic.
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10-31-03, 12:33 AM
XaurreauX

quote:Originally posted by tsaeb:
Xaurreaux: You and I on the same show would be a lap slapper.


It would make a good show for the SciFi channel. Big Grin

quoteoes the topic of homosexuality and theists come up for discussion in the atheist media?


Not as a general theme, but it has been mentioned in context with other criticisms of fundamentalist hypocrisy and bigotry.

quote:Oh, you probably make it come up, the topic.

Glad you qualified that statement. Wink No, I'm not on a personal crusade for gay rights, nor is it a "sub-theme" or an official position of American Atheists, Inc. "Atheist Viewpoint" has and will continue to support religious freedom, freedom FROM religion and the rights of minorities--religious,ethnic and gay--on general principle. This also includes incidents where Christian minorities in a given community are persecuted by whatever Christian sect(s) are in the majority in that community.
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10-31-03, 03:46 AM
tsaeb
Xaurreaux: "Atheist Viewpoint" seems to be trying to be broad minded and tolerant. However, I am a horse of a very different color--an extremist to too many backward persons, too many Christians included. People seem to be having trouble with the old "live and let live," not to mention thinking clearly with a sense of humor and respect for differing views. I think that the group would never take a stand on a few things about me, and I am not about to mention which things, but you have followed some hot posts in the forums about me, no doubt. Anyway, from my camp, God will lead all of us as to what to do in the future.
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12-02-04, 02:24 PM
XaurreauX

quote:Since I watch you and the lovely Ellen most Sunday evenings, it probably isn't wise to offend such a large portion of your viewership. Wink

My other cable show, "NYC Atheists Live! (On Tape)" debuted last spring and is seen only in Manhattan. I have interviewed such notables as Massimo Pigliucci, author of Denying Evolution, Lyle Stuart, publisher and iconoclast who, amongst other accomplishments helped Paul Krassner launch the famous (or infamous, depending on your point of view) newspaper The Realist as well assisting the late William Gaines in starting Mad Magazine.

Last month I had the pleasure of interviewing Dr. Michael Newdow, the California lawyer/physician who this past March argued before the U.S. Supreme Court to have the phrase "under God" removed from the Pledge of Allegiance. By the way, while the USSC refused to rule on his petition due to his standing, Newdow has recruited several individuals to file next year in nine out of the eleven (twelve counting Washington, D.C.) U.S. Circuit Courts. Stay tuned.

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