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Ditto MN's answer. But, trying to find a clue, Merriam-Webster defines Music in the following manner: 1 a : the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity b : vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony 2 a : an agreeable sound : EUPHONY b : musical quality 3 : a musical accompaniment 4 : the score of a musical composition set down on paper 5 : a distinctive type or category of music
I suppose it hits on definition 1b because it has rhythm. I suppose it hits on definition 5 because someone decided to make it a music category (distinctive, indeed). IMHO, attempting to squeeze it in elsewhere will require a lot of pushing!
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| Posts: 7742 | Location: in the backwoods of North Carolina | Registered: 06-07-02 |    |
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Except for the fact that it has rhythm, I don't consider rap "music". And depending on it's content, I don't consider it worthy of listening to!
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| Posts: 3451 | Location: Marple Cheshire UK | Registered: 06-04-02 |    |
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I am not a rap fan either, but if you listen to some rap songs, there really is some sort of melody. The melody comes in the inflections of the voice of the rapper. Think of a popular rap song and speak the words, inflecting differently than the rapper. It doesn't sound like the same song, does it? Arnold Schoenberg did something like this (much, much, much different, but related in a fundamental way), and he called it "Sprechtstimme", or "sing-speech". The melody is not something you could go bang out on the piano or notate, but there is a melody there. As far as the instrumentation, there really are some interesting things going on in a lot of rap songs, and should not be written off as simply a beat track. If you believe rhythmic instruments don't make "music", then we may as well eliminate all native and historical African (or, for that matter, any tribal) music, and disband all drum lines and drum corps from colleges and high schools across the nation. Of course, this music is extremely repetitive, but so is rock n' roll (and all the music by a guy named Philip Glass or any other minimalist composer). I'm not sure how to defend the whole sampling aspect, except for a baroque musical form called the "quodlibet".
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| Posts: 7 | Location: St Joseph, MO, USA | Registered: 06-04-02 |    |
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very good point jbokie...the big thing that bothers me about most rap is that the "lyrics" relate to violence, drugs, cop killing, etc....
I don't mind some of the milder stuff, like some of Will Smith's, and even (heaven forbid) Eminem - on his recent CD there's a tribute to his daughter (where he actually SINGS!)...but on the same CD there's a hate song to his ex.
We have to realize that many of these "artists" are writing the words to these works as a result of things important to them or things that have happened in their lives.
As I said in a previous post, most of it isn't worth listening to in my opinion, however, our constitution calls for free speech...
So if I don't like it, I simply change the station!
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