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Do any of you really believe that today's music is better than music eras of the past.If so ,why?

If you believe music from past eras was better ,which years were the best...20's to 30's...30's to 40's...40's to 50's...50's to 60's...60's to 70's...70's to 80's...80's to 90's...90's to 2000's ...2000's to 2006???

And if so ,why .Cite the artists,tunes,composers,etc.that make you believe so.

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No, there was rubbish music in all decades.Only a tiny percentage of the old stuff still gets played, that's all, and that is the good stuff by any reckoning.The same will surely apply to the current music. Distance gives a selective air to our memories.Every now and aqain some station plays a complete set of old hits from a given month of the past and I, for one, think "Surely we never liked all that?" Big Grin
 
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I tell my kids that when they are in their 40s and 50s, there will be no golden oldie radio stations. No one will want to admit they actually listened to eminem, fifty cent, snoop, etc. Of course, I don't admit I listened to disco either.
 
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Personally I think the best music ever written was between the 20's and 40's.The 1720's-40's, Handel's Messiah, Vivaldi's Four Seasons,Bach's St Matthews Passion,it doesn't get much better than that !
On a more serious note I agree with Fred,I think when we look back at golden oldies we tend only to remember the good stuff we forget that there was an awful lot of mediocre music around.
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As far as I can say, the orchestral/classical music era seems hard to beat. How consistent would you guys say it actually was? Other than any mediocre drinking songs or chants.

I think modern music has been pretty consistent. There are lots of talented and creative musicians along with the less creative ones. Also to consider is the increase in musicians and types which allows for a lot of variation. It would take days to compile a list of all the best musicians though. Shall I see how far I can get before I can't go on anymore?

I actually think there will be "oldie" stations. They'll just represent bigger time frames. Eventually 20s to 00s will probably all be compressed into one radio station, the old stuff. Maybe it'll even all sound the same compared to whatever's ahead and no one will have a problem having it all together.
 
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I think when we look back at golden oldies we tend only to remember the good stuff


Anyone remember "Surfin' Bird" by the Trashmen? oo ma ma mao, boppa oo mao mao
 
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It had a good beat. I'll give it an 82.
 
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I tell my kids that when they are in their 40s and 50s, there will be no golden oldie radio stations. No one will want to admit they actually listened to eminem, fifty cent, snoop, etc. Of course, I don't admit I listened to disco either.


LOL! I admit proudly that I still listen to disco. Just heard Ring My Bell. I made a list of my fave 70s music, and as soon as I can figure out how to download the set, I am sending it to my internet radio stations. So much of it has a specific memory attached to it. Most music does.

I like so many different kinds of music, it is sometimes hard to say that I listen to this or don't listen to that. There are always a few songs/artists I will listen to even if I am not a big fan of a genre.

I also think it takes a dedicated listener to a particular type of music to get to know it. Sometimes I mention a song or an artist and I get blank stares. Whenever someone mentions one to me, I store the name in my memory banks and listen up for something they have done.

These days, there is no staying power of music, that's because either most people need instant gratification and constant change, or they don't listen or watch because of the offensive nature of most radio and TV.
 
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I also think it takes a dedicated listener to a particular type of music to get to know it.


That's what I always say, too. Music styles are bigger and more varied than most people realize.

I'd say there is staying power, though, for the true music fans, of which there are plenty. If someone really likes a group or artist, they'll keep up with them until they break up or the listener dies. You can tell this because most of the best bands that haven't broken up for one reason or another are still around.

And what do you mean about the offensive nature of most radio and TV? Most?
 
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And what do you mean about the offensive nature of most radio and TV? Most?


Ed was complaining about TV the other day. I don't want to be convinced on the virtues of Viagra while my daughter is in the room. Nor do I want to share my thoughts about women problems with guests in my home. Most television is so graphic, if not pornographic, people swear and talk about subjects and act like animals on daytime TV, and every channel is loaded with it. Even cartoons are suspect.

I'm not saying I don't watch or enjoy these things, but whenever we watch TV I need to be ready with an explanation about everything. It's exhausting! Also, if I fill my head and my eyes with garbage, doesn't it wear away my moral fabric? "Bad company corrupts good morals."

The music lyrics are full of unsavory images, too. Candy Shop, Shake Your Money Maker, Electric Funeral, Paranoid, Stairway to Heaven. You know what song always bothered me? I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus. When I was a kid, I thought 'how could Mom kissing another man be funny or cute?' I guess I could find demons in every doorway.

What happened to innocence? There is no such thing as childhood any more. Remember Lucy and Ricky slept in separate beds? No swearing, kids had two parents, people ate dinner together. Watch TV Land and lament about a world that disappeared, or that never really existed.

Of course, even though Looney Tunes would have been considered violent by some, you never see the golden oldies any more. How regrettable!
 
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Remember Lucy and Ricky slept in separate beds?


And so did the Cleavers, the Stones, and the Petries...a little disingenuous.
And the word "pregnant" could not be uttered. Lawrence Welk used to hide the "with child" Joanne Castle behind everything under the sun.
 
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And Lucy was an idiot, Ozzie had neither a job nor a clue, but Jim Anderson knew best; in any case, all problems could be solved within 30 minutes. Tom & Jerry were more realistic.
 
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Ed was complaining about TV the other day. I don't want to be convinced on the virtues of Viagra while my daughter is in the room. Nor do I want to share my thoughts about women problems with guests in my home. Most television is so graphic, if not pornographic, people swear and talk about subjects and act like animals on daytime TV, and every channel is loaded with it. Even cartoons are suspect.

I'm not saying I don't watch or enjoy these things, but whenever we watch TV I need to be ready with an explanation about everything. It's exhausting! Also, if I fill my head and my eyes with garbage, doesn't it wear away my moral fabric? "Bad company corrupts good morals."

The music lyrics are full of unsavory images, too. Candy Shop, Shake Your Money Maker, Electric Funeral, Paranoid, Stairway to Heaven. You know what song always bothered me? I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus. When I was a kid, I thought 'how could Mom kissing another man be funny or cute?' I guess I could find demons in every doorway.

What happened to innocence? There is no such thing as childhood any more. Remember Lucy and Ricky slept in separate beds? No swearing, kids had two parents, people ate dinner together. Watch TV Land and lament about a world that disappeared, or that never really existed.

Of course, even though Looney Tunes would have been considered violent by some, you never see the golden oldies any more. How regrettable!


Well, I wouldn't say our most important moral core is corrupted. But I suppose you have a point about it disrupting innocence. Kids are much more grown up than I guess they used to be.
 
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Kids are much more grown up than I guess they used to be.


I'd say they are more exposed to elements not necessarily beneficial. More grown up? Hardly. They are probably more naive.
 
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Kids are much more grown up than I guess they used to be.


I'd say they are more exposed to elements not necessarily beneficial. More grown up? Hardly. They are probably more naive.

Naive as all young are. Yet the existence of the internet and easy worldwide communication and cheap travel ought to make it harder for today's children to be indoctrinated or made narrow-minded by parents, by culture, by their family's religion or by their country, than was the case with those of previous generations.Not wiser, perhaps, but a great deal better informed Smile
 
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But information takes all kinds of forms. Its availability does not mean that kids can distinguish between that which is true and that which isn't.
 
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But information takes all kinds of forms. Its availability does not mean that kids can distinguish between that which is true and that which isn't.

Not wiser. But today's children do get to hear and see other versions; it cannot be avoided. It's for them to learn how to distinguish critically between differing statements, facts and beliefs, but they now have the material. Past generations knew, and were allowed to know, but one version of anything, for the most part.
 
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No, there was rubbish music in all decades.

I believe Fred must be right. Even of the classical era, do we not simply hear the best of the best?

I admit to being most fond of the music from about 1968 to 1978, from my age 10 through age 20. My understanding is that it is not unusual to be imprinted with the music of these formative years. But what good luck I had:

Rock: Most of Hendrix through Van Halen's first album, with the best of Led Zeppelin, Queen, Pink Floyd, Aerosmith, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath mixed in for good measure. This was without question the defining era for Southern and Country Rock, including the Allman Brothers Band, Lynyrd Skynyrd and the Charlie Daniels Band.

R&B: Earth Wind & Fire, Marvin Gaye, The Temptations, Teddy Pendergrass, Diana Ross and more.

Jazz: Miles Davis releases "Bitches Brew;" purists will argue that jazz was watered down and experimental for most of the 1970s but I tended to enjoy the emergence of some solo artists such as Ronnie Laws, Hubert Laws, Tom Scott, Joe Sample and George Benson.

Blues: The emergence of Stevie Ray Vaughn; Albert King, B.B. King; blues embodied in Southern Rock (mentioned above)

Musicals: Jesus Christ Superstar, Grease, Hair reaches Broadway
 
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Not wiser. But today's children do get to hear and see other versions; it cannot be avoided. It's for them to learn how to distinguish critically between differing statements, facts and beliefs, but they now have the material. Past generations knew, and were allowed to know, but one version of anything, for the most part.


How can children distinguish critically between differing statements without being taught? IMHO, parents who neglect to place bias or core beliefs into their children leave them as swaying leaves in the wind. My daughter can decide whether to believe or not in any subject when she is at the age of consent. You shouldn't wait for the world to shape them into productive citizens, because it will never happen. If only more parents took this responsibility seriously, our children wouldn't be the lost souls they are today.
 
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Well, I was imprinted at an early age with all types of music. My first concert was Led Zeppelin in New York, I saw Steve Ray Vaughn the week before he died. Saw most of the essential rock acts in my high school and college years. I have memorized many traditional and modern church songs, know most old musicals by heart, listened to and performed folk music of all types. I've only been exposed to classical and jazz for the past ten years, but love it.
 
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