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Should the US be supplying India with Patriot Missiles? Why is it doing so?
 
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Should the US be supplying India with Patriot Missiles? Why is it doing so?


In all probability, we are supplying them primarily for the purpose of getting some return, however small, on our investment.

The Patriot missile was designed as an anti-aircraft missile, but we've never had any actual use for a missile in that role since it went into service. During the Gulf war, they were used as anti-missile missiles, but to no good effect (the SCUDs did more damage when we fired the Patriot at them than when we didn't) which was what motivated the THAAD program, itself no brilliant success.

The other aspect of it is that we've provided a lot of support for Pakistan, but in economic terms, India is far more important to us.

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"(the SCUDs did more damage when we fired the Patriot at them than when we didn't)" - Alan

I wish more people understood this. When the military went on TV or in front of reporters stating the Patriots' success rate (which varied, depending on who was talking) the word "intercepted" was used. "Our Patriots intercepted 21 out of 23 SCUDS." It was later found out that, in military terms, "intercepted" means that the two missiles passed each other in the air. In almost all cases, the SCUD went merrily on it way. The small amout of damage done by SCUDS was primarily due to the Iraqi's lousy aim and faulty workmanship. Remember, this is the same military that told us that we were winning in Vietnam and that there was a "light at the end of the tunnel" and the same military that is telling us today that we are winning in Iraq. I am NOT talking about the everyday serviceman who is doing the fighting. I'm speaking of the brass in uniform and the suits in the Pentagon and the White House.
 
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"(the SCUDs did more damage when we fired the Patriot at them than when we didn't)" - Alan

I wish more people understood this. When the military went on TV or in front of reporters stating the Patriots' success rate (which varied, depending on who was talking) the word "intercepted" was used. "Our Patriots intercepted 21 out of 23 SCUDS." It was later found out that, in military terms, "intercepted" means that the two missiles passed each other in the air. In almost all cases, the SCUD went merrily on it way. The small amout of damage done by SCUDS was primarily due to the Iraqi's lousy aim and faulty workmanship.


There were other aspects of the problem as I recall. Often, the Patriot would hit the empty rocket motor of the SCUD upper stage, doing no important damage, but the worst, for the statistics, was when the intercept course for one fired in Israel caused it to attempt to fly through an apartment building.

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Remember, this is the same military that told us that we were winning in Vietnam and that there was a "light at the end of the tunnel" and the same military that is telling us today that we are winning in Iraq. I am NOT talking about the everyday serviceman who is doing the fighting. I'm speaking of the brass in uniform and the suits in the Pentagon and the White House.


"The first casualty of war..."

When a politician makes a public statement, what is important isn't whether or not it's true -- usually he doesn't care about that. What's important is his intention when he makes the statement. For example, Bush, saying Iraq was on the verge of developing nuclear weapons, was less interested in Iraq's nuclear program than in generating support for his planned invasion. Whether or not Iraq was on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon was unimportant to him. Support for the invasion was important.

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Questions Linger as Bush Pushes India Nuclear Deal


Given the lackluster economy we've been provided with since Bush has been in office, this may simply be an attempt to drum up business. In a similar vein, I saw items the other day about Lockheed-Martin getting contracts to upgrade Turkey's military aircraft, and, on the same day, the same firm closing a deal to sell fighters to Greece.

In a more charitable vein, our attempts to keep Pakistan involved in the "War on Terror" have involved military assistance to that country. Providing some sort of counterbalance to India may simply be an attempt to minimize the damage. Not that I've seem much interest in the present administration in minimizing damage, you understand...

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I think you mean the "India/Pakistan/Iran" arms race.

Puts new light on your question, huh?

In any case, we owe Pakistan a debt of gratitude for putting an end to Al Quaida's communications.

Did you see our last election? Osama's big threat was a video tape around Halloween. That's the best he can do.

How do you suppose he became so impotent?
 
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