Hi, what actually is the root cause of Obesity, especially in teenagers?
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06-19-06, 05:38 AM
clarebear
I would say the root cause of obesity is consuming too much sugar and high calorie/fattening foods. This combined with lack of exercise is the major reason for obesity in teenagers. (same goes for adults) Some obesity cases can be hereditary or stem from health issues, although this is not the norm. Teens eat way too much junk and they sit around and don't burn off the calories. Teenagers are part of a sedentary, technological, computer and video game, fast food generation. This is why obesity in teenagers is on the rise. IMO.

06-19-06, 06:10 PM
Wildflower63
I agree with Claire. Lifestyle is key. Believe me, I know how teens of today are. My daughter acts offended that the outside isn't climate controlled, like our house, and it rained! She is serious, while I am thinking she just lost her sanity.

My kids are thin. People even accuse my daughter of being a 'crackhead', what? My kids ate there vegetables or go hungry. Teen kids are almost impossible to reason with.

Teens are fat, beyond belief. In my day, you would be a social outcast, not being called an acceptable 'thick'. I hate to think of how much they will weigh at thirty, much less my age!

Parents, give your kids a balanced diet. If they don't like what you cook or have in the fridge, they just have to starve, by their choice. Quit buying McDonald's! This is a treat, not a meal.

Shut off your cable TV, take their PS2, and have no net access. Kids are far from deprived, just forced to get off their lazy butts and get some exercise and eat what you feed them, healthy food.

Parents, it is your own fault for having fat kids. You allow it.

06-21-06, 01:40 AM
PhilKosba
Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

I would also like to know, if possible, the medical/scientific reason/s for kids getting fat; like any gland, enzyme, hormone, etc... ???

06-21-06, 01:03 PM
clarebear
Some steroid hormones and drugs used to treat psychiatric conditions can cause obesity.

Hypothyroidism can cause obesity. This is a condition where the thyroid gland, located in the neck, produces too little thyroid hormone. The thyroid hormone regulates our metabolism. If there isn't enough thyroid hormone, your metabolism will be slowed down.

Cushing's syndrome occurs when the adrenal glands (located on top of each kidney) produce too much of a steroid hormone. (This is called cortisol) This will cause an increase in fat.

I think that although genetics do play a part in obesity, people can break the cycle by changing their behavior. Lifestyle changes aren't always easy and take so much work. Depression can also play a big part in obesity. People learn eating habits from their parents and weight problems do run in families.
I don't think any of the diets work for long term weight loss. There is only one way to lose weight. EAT LESS AND EXERCISE MORE! Thats the secret the multi billion dollar a year weight loss industry doesn't want to tell people. There isn't just one answer for the problem. Every situation is unique. I do believe that all people who are obese are putting their life in risk. From high cholesterol, blood pressure levels, heart disease, sleep apnea, risk of Type 2 diabetes, asthma, liver problems etc...
Did you know that overweight teens have a 70% chance of becoming overweight or obese adults? Those are some really high statistics. Like I said earlier, its a matter of making lifestyle changes. Poor eating combined with a sedentary lifestyle leaves people trapped in their weight range. People eat food while they watch TV, parents use food and treats for rewards. Some parents send their children to bed without dinner so they eat everything on their plate. Then there is the parent who says, "You aren't leaving the table until you finish your dinner. There are people starving around the world!" This gets people in the habit of eating everything. There is also the adults who force feed the kids every minute. Some people see giving food as a sign of love. This makes food comforting. I do agree with Widflower. Kids need to exercise.


For more information on the education, prevention and treatment of obesity, click here for the American Obesity Association. It is a very informative site.

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06-28-06, 04:01 AM
PhilKosba
Thank you very much. May God bless you all.

07-03-06, 09:55 PM
Wildflower63
Clare's post gets a standing ovation!! She is so right...

She is absolutely correct about the disorders that will cause obesity. Overweight kids need a simple check up. Parents need to state concern of any medical reason for weight gain. A doctor only has to do a simple blood draw to rule these problems out.

I, also, advise consulting a doctor to rule out any physical reason for weight gain before proceeding with diet and lifestyle changes. Once assured your child is healthy, but overweight, you can proceed with food and lifestyle changes.

Parents, brace yourself to act like a kid again! lol! I felt like an idiot buying myself a bike and rollerblades. Well, until going on vacation in Florida where people with white hair and dentures rollerblade for fun and have a basket on their bike riding it to the store.

As it turned out, I did myself a favor. Riding a bike is fun! So is taking your kids rollerblading. You really will see other adults doing the same thing.

Being a kid again is so much fun! Do yourself and kid a big favor. Put on the rollerblades and buy a bike. Spend time having fun with your kids. Come home to healthy food. Diet Pepsi is the only soft drink in your house other than fruit juice drinks, which are healthy. Sorry, but the cookies and chips ran low. All you have are some raw veggies with dip to snack on.

Live isn't that bad, when you are thin and healthy!!

07-06-06, 10:01 PM
SeattleRon
the cause of obesity in kids is laziness. Coming home to a bunch of snacks a recliner and video games.
KIds these days are just straight up lazy. Video games, DVD's snack foods and parents who don't push their kids to get up off their keisters and shoot some hoops or do something.
Thats the cause of obesity. I really doubt it has anything to do with metabolism. I'm 5'7", and when I was out of a job for 10 months I ballooned from 131 pounds to 171 pounds. Because all I did was drink booze and eat, then sit on my fat butt.
When I got a job, my lazy butt had to actually exercise so slowly I started losing weight. within 5 or 6 months I was back to 135 pounds.
Fatness = Laziness

09-09-06, 10:33 PM
kissingurami
I wish I had parents like you, Wildflower...

My mom loves to stock up on junk food, TV dinners, and snacks. She thinks it's convenient so we can just feed ourselves whenever we want.

Now I have a 8-yr-old brother who weighs around 100 pounds and has a cottage cheese tummy. I'm not fit myself, either.

To all the parents out there - please feed your children healthy foods. They WILL thank you for it.

09-10-06, 12:41 AM
Wildflower63

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Originally posted by kissingurami:
I wish I had parents like you, Wildflower...



No, you definitely don't want a moron of kids as a parent, like me. I do thank you for the compliment.

Since your parents can't figure it out, you and your brother know what's good for the body and what's not. As a parent, I know that requested food will end up at home.

You really don't have much longer being the kid and will be on your own to shop for food, meaning the diet you choose. You can buy sugar pop and frozen high calorie dinners all you want.

People should learn to cook again! When you cook, you see exactly how much fat and sugar you are eating. Fast food only taste good because of the fat and carb load. Don't eat it!

If your parents aren't into rollerblades or a bike, ask for this and use it. It's fun type of exercize your body needs.

It's up to you.

09-10-06, 08:52 AM
MrsS

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People should learn to cook again! When you cook, you see exactly how much fat and sugar you are eating.


OMG... isn't it shocking how few people even know how to prepare a meal, let alone do so on a regular basis? Real food is tastier, less costly and more nutricious than fast food or convenience food, and the act of actually preparing, serving and consuming a meal as a family has great benefits for body and mind.
Even in my utterly unorthodox household, we eat the evening meal together at least 5 nights a week, and only once or twice a month do I cut corners and open a box or have Craig pick up pizza... I believe that the demise of the family dinner is part of the obesity equation. Several studies have given us cause to believe that people, especially younger folks, eat less when they are at the table engaged in conversation during the meal than when they are "grazing" or eating alone. I believe that the reason for this is very simple... if you're pausing between bites to ask how someone elses day went or to tell everyone at the table about your day, your brain has a better chance to register that you're full than if you're parked in front of the television alone, eating without pause.
(The family dinner is also a great place to pick up table manners, but that's a whole other topic)

As a side note, I'm making a tiny, stealthy effort to turn the tide of a culture that does not cook, and I'd be delighted if others follow suit:
Every child in my life, around age 8 or 9, gets a cookbook that has good, clear directions, lots of photographs and a decent variety of recipes... the cooking bug I caught as a child has proven contagious in a gratifying number of cases and 2 of my earliest "victims" are making it a special point to pass it on to the kids in their lives.

(Teenaged boys are EASY to lure into the kitchen... just make it known that women fall all over themselves for a guy who can find his way around the kitchenWink

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09-10-06, 11:46 AM
DorianGreyed
"I believe that the demise of the family dinner is part of the obesity equation."

BINGO! We have a winner! Even if the family consists of a parent and a child, a family dinner is extremely important (perhaps even more so in that situation) in many ways. Each member of the family learns from the experience.
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One of the things I am proudest of is fostering a love of food/cooking in my son. At 22, he is at better cook (and thus eats better) than I was at 40.

09-11-06, 01:33 AM
Wildflower63
MrsS, I understand exactly what you have to say and completely agree. I do see a few problems with 'family meal'. No one is home or hungry at the same time.

Today, we have single parents and two parent income. Most of us really cannot pull off the 'family dinner'. I can't!

I got so completely discouraged cooking meals and my kids put a Banquet, high fat and calorie, dinner in the microwave because they were too lazy to get out a plate and eat what I cooked, which was always something healthy.

I have always had the philosophy of 'eat or starve'. I got rid of the Banquet frozen dinners. I cook food, with vegetables. I have gone as far to wrap up plates and stack them to go straight into the microwave.

I did notice the fact that my kids actually ate healthy food, out of hunger. I stopped buying frozen dinners.

When you cook, even if after work on second shift, make a note to your kids what there is to eat. When you cook food, you understand fat, carbs, and needed veges in our diet.

Do as I did, cook dinner and put it on a plate. Cover it with Saran wrap. Don't buy frozen dinners at all. Hunger will dictate that kids eat veges. Never hit the junk food potato chip isle at the store. This makes fat kids. If you are hungry, eat a meal, not high calorie and high fat bag chips.

It really is hard to plan meals when parents work and kids are on a different schedule. This is the norm!

09-11-06, 09:35 AM
DorianGreyed
" No one is home or hungry at the same time."

For the most part, these issues can be worked around to allow a family dinner. Of course, it is more difficult when there are two workers in the family working different shifts, but it can be done.

As far as no one being hungry at the same time, somehow, we managed to have family meals for at least a few centuries and no one starved. Most older children get their school lunch times changed twice a year, and somehow manage. If children just can't wait until it is time for the family meal, a light snack works to prevent death from starvation. (Roll Eyes)

There are differences between reasons and excuses. The idea of everyone not being hungry at the same time preventing family meals is an excuse.

09-11-06, 10:00 AM
Sherasi
I agree that family meal times CAN be a challenge... but as DG stated it can be done.

My mom worked night shift, my father was a minister. All us kids were involved in sports and after-school activities, but we all managed to have an evening meal every day.

This is a very important ritual in my mind. Conversation of the days activities occur, information exchanged, simply having family time together is important.

It CAN be done.

Now, in my house, we have junk food. But I find that both of my boys will gravitate toward the yogurt, crackers, fresh fruit (if it is already washed and prepared) and healthy snacks.

We do not make the 'junk' food a thing to be longed for.. simply one more choice to be had, but not necessarily one that you HAVE to have or even want.

I've had candy bars, pudding and various cookies sitting in my hutch for months and not be touched. Ice cream sits in the freezer for months.

But we go through the yogurt 20 to 30 portions a week. If we have fresh strawberries and grapes there, you might as well expect them to be gone in days if not hours.

Also, if meals cannot be had as a family, I make home-made 'tv' dinners. Pre-cooked portioned meals that can be gotten out and thawed whenever a meal is needed.

Even though my sons are Autistic, they know there is food and it can be gotten when they are hungry (the reason I specified 'Autistic' is that many times this sort of person often doesn't even think to obtain food if they are hungry, they will not eat and go hungry... I am extremely pleased they make the decision to obtain food when they are hungry, and usually make good snack choices)

When they are not hungry, they stop eating. Even if it is the most lucious dessert in the world, when they are not hungry, they will stop and leave the rest of the portion on the plate. I love this fact about them.

When I was younger, I heard 'clean your plate off' quite a bit. That ENCOURAGES obesity.. forcing a kid to eat more than they are hungry for. Provide smaller portions initially, then allow for more if they want it, encouraging the healthier choices (veggies, fruit, lean meat) when having seconds.

09-11-06, 10:23 AM
DorianGreyed
Sher's story shows that a motivated parent can make it work.

09-11-06, 12:26 PM
bedstor
I agree DG Shers an example to all people Cool
Thats the way we do thing this side of the Pond .Why Obesity is not rampant Wink If you think about what you eat say "I love these I'll have a little now and save some for another day" and buy a cheaper brand ...Thats a start.
Its not a diet.. But your weight won't balloon coupled with some easy exercise like walking the dog or bicycling? Your shape will get trim ...not overnight or 1 week Give it 6 months. No pills or diet plans ..I'm still 130lbs same as I was @ 21 top weight 140lbs . I don't smoke drink in moderation. Walk to most places locally within 2 to 3 miles radius.Bus (and walk) beyond that. And I eat normally...the exercise burns off the calories thats the secret Wink...Car? Budget doesn't allow that(at this time)savings goes on this computer and into my bank account Smile

BTW I was brought up in a town with steep hills
our house was halfway up one of these steep streets which where about a 1 in 20 slope average And we had to walk 2 miles to school in the days before the family car fever took off(Some streets locally where on a 1 in 8 incline) So You'd never see an obese person who lived here unless they had transport to their front door. Lugging laden shopping bags home up the hill was an ordeal Frown And this was daily!!

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09-11-06, 01:43 PM
Sherasi
PhilKosba, I want to appologize for not reading the start of this thread. I saw a post further on and responded to that.

I think that there are several reasons for the epidemic of obesity that is overtaking the Western Culture. Some of these would include:

#1 More time is available to us as a culture because there are more labor saving devices such as dishwashers, sweepers, washing machines, automobiles, etc etc.

This causes us to move less and do less actual labor to perform the same tasks for daily living than only a few years ago.

#2 More convenience foods/meals such as prepared foods, take-outs, restaurants galore, etc. These foods are high in fat, cholesterol, sugar, low in fiber and true nutrition.

As a result of these 'convenience' foods, people do not know HOW to prepare REAL food.. real meat, raw fruits, raw vegetables, etc. They don't know how to make breads, cakes and basic food items from scratch. They don't know what spices will make what flavors.. simply put, they don't know how to cook.

#3 Because of more time available, more play time is also available. With ever increasing technology, play has become more sedentary with television, computers, Play Stations, etc etc.

I can honestly say that I RARELY was at home or in the house when I was a child. I was outside running my tail off as soon as school was over until well after dark. Same with weekends. I can't allow my sons to do the same with their diagnosis, but I still rarely see children outside at all.

Children grow into adults who also do not move or run around or have active exercise routines.

Dorian and Bedstor, I appreciate your votes of confidence, but I truly don't think I am all that responsible for the successes of my families eating patterns.

You see, I grew up in an obese household, everyone except my sister was morbidly obese. We were a German Dutch sort of meat/potatoes/corn and desserts sort of family. Fried chicken, roast beef, mashed potatoes, gravy, etc etc were extremely common meals every week. There was also vast quanities of food with seconds and thirds available for consumption.

I think that Sagus and I rarely have more than one serving of each item at the table. We use lean meats (center cut pork loin, chicken breast, 97% lean hamburger, sirloin steak, orange roughy, etc) and usually only serve 3-4 ounces of meat during meals for each person. We use brown or white rice (instant Roll Eyes Red Face), Single packages of Lipton Noodles dishes between 4 people, Single packages of Garlic Instant Mashed Potatoes (the good quality Betty Crocker version) for the whole family. We use only frozen or fresh vegetables.

At any rate, what I am saying is you need to pick and choose what is served and then augment it with the 'specials' around the 'real' food.

Then they get the good stuff and want less of the junk.

09-11-06, 01:51 PM
aminator2002
Root causes:

1. Eating too much. All the ideas above constitute ways to keep diet under control - i.e. family meal times, home prepared meals, whole foods, etc...

2. Not enough exercise - driving to school rather than walking, driving everywhere instead of walking, sitting on the sofa to play video games.

One thing that doesn't get brought up much but that I've been seeing recently is that the competitive nature of children's athletics actually diminishes how many kids can participate and feel good about it. Most schools now have try-outs for all the sports and some kids just don't make the team. That is a tremendous kick in the rear end that most kids if not gifted in athletics or late-starters don't want to go through. When I was in school anyone who wanted to play could play on the team. We'd have first team and second team but all who had interest were welcome and were encouraged to be treated with good sportsmanship.

Now if you ask a 12 year old if they want to try soccer, they might well say "Oh no, I'm too old to start that. The other kids have been playing since they were 5." It's a shame and I put it all squarely on over competitive parents and school districts concerned more about prestige than learning.

Learning to play a sport and to be physically active is something that everyone should have the free opportunity to do and to feel good about it. It's a shame to see kids that don't feel welcome to learn a sport due to cut policies and because good sportsmanship isn't being taught and kept up.

09-19-06, 10:09 PM
DvdGStwrt
At plus 40 I am seeing a growing girth – mind I’m also suffering from several ills which have struck deep into my heart of exercise – thus I am doing far less than I was 2-3 more years ago. I’m still a way away from obese, though my doctor warns that I am now overweight.

However for the majority it’s lack of discipline.

Americans – that’s about 300 million people, are not disciplined. No, not hit, spanked, abused, punished – I mean disciplined in our thoughts, our actions and deeds.

We American’s have it pretty darn good, cheap, plentiful food, Air conditioning, transportation, even our poor are not really poor compared to the starvation and lacks of the rest of the globe. A TV set in every home – That is America.

Not only that but we are told to go out and buy, buy, buy. Frankly we are a society of consumers all geared to spend, spend, spend. And let’s face it Mc Burger Castle is far, far tastier than a skinless chicken breast served up over rice with a side of barely dressed salad.

Who is thin now days? The disciplined individuals those who stick to a nutritional dietary life style, exercise and know when to push away from the table. The rest, ah they come up with excuses: “I’m a single parent and work all day so I can’t furnish a good meal for the kids”, “I don’t have time to walk to the store”. “I’m too busy”. More excuses than you can shake a stick at – and each are in half a truth, however the deeper truth is these “excuses” are born out of choices, choices that we make and could easily unmake in many instances, such as rescheduling our lives, or listening to David (wink wink), when he gives you hints – or who ever passes for me in your life (To the general listening audience).

To get an idea of how American’s think, go to any shopping center and park your car. While your there please note where the majority of cars are parked. Are they parked way out by the street? No, they are parked as close to the front door as possible because, perish the thought – one might actually have to WALK to the store a short distance. Personally I like parking way out near the road – no need to be careful about those silly lines – nobody parks next to me Wink Me and my cane do a very slow “walk” to the doors – although now I have this little blue card that allows me to park right next to the door in a special reserved parking spot.

Kids absorb this, they see us adults pushing for the “cherry spots” when it comes to parking and they too pickup the behavior they too will think it is their right to park at the very door so they don’t have to walk. This translates into other aspects of life. Measure the wrongness of things and see for yourself just how XX Insert a word to your liking here XX Americans really are.

On top of that we American’s are blessed with endless commercialization, we are told to buy, consume, eat, spend over and over again. I’m hard pressed to think of one kid in our extended family that doesn’t have a computer, an X-box (or equivalent) a cell phone and all of the other modern necessary luxury items that kids demand. ½ of them are swelling up like little balloons which I threaten to pop with my cane if they get any bigger. No so winky there.

Mom and/or dad are “too busy” to actually deal with the kids, instead they send them to the Electronic Babysitter (phone, computer, x-box, TV (the first EBS man made) and go about their busy little lives. Undisciplined parents lead to undisciplined children.

Scheduling one’s life requires knowing what the rocks, the pebbles and the sand.

- http://www3.telus.net/clarke/rocks.html

09-20-06, 10:56 PM
bedstor
Nice one David
If people used a bit of your sensible advice They'd look a lot Healthier in later life...and Live longer
There are several campaigns on British TV now warning kids that they are in danger of turning into American style sized kids www.jamieoliver.com/schooldinners/
Do check out the Video trailer off the site to the TV programme(quite thought provoking!) Pass this on
Fashion makers are making larger sized clothing to meet this demand and they forecast that they'll have to go "larger" again perhaps as early as next year?Frown

09-21-06, 02:20 AM
Wildflower63
You want to know who is thin these days? My kids are thin and healthy! I don't buy junk, ever. My 19 year old son is over six foot, but weighs less that 150 and looks lean and mean. My daughter is about 5'5" and weighs 105lbs. She looks as fantastic as any runway model.

It started out very young. My kids were always served a healthy diet. If they refused their meal, wait until the next one. McDonald's is a grand treat to my kids, not part of their diet.

I fail to understand why parents cater to kids 'wants' before their 'needs'. It makes no sense! All kids should eat veges!! No exception and no short order cooks for 'picky spoiled brats'. Eat something healthy or you will be hungry enough to think spinach is all that!

The way is really is and why do parents spoil fat kids? I don't get it! This is too easy...

10-06-06, 10:51 AM
dodgecity
Root cause is lazyness.
i know im fat and i know why im fat cause im lazy now. i know if i get my but up and do stuff
then ill quit eating and start getting back in shape.

01-31-07, 03:08 AM
Miamin
Hi,

As I know, excess body weight is implicated as a risk factor for many different disorders, including heart disease, diabetes, several cancers (such as breast cancer in postmenopausal women, and cancers of the uterus, colon, and kidney), prostate enlargement (BPH), female infertility, uterine fibroids, and gallstones, as well as several disorders of pregnancy, including gestational diabetes, preeclampsia, and gestational hypertension. The location of excess body fat may affect the amount of health risk associated with overweight. Increased abdominal fat, which can be estimated by waist size, may be especially hazardous to long-term health.

The amino acid L-Carnitine may be helpful for weight loss because of its role in fat metabolism. Studies have shown that Conjugated Linoleic Acid reduces the percentage of body fat in exercising people although other studies have shown no effects. Cayenne increases blood circulation and promotes secretion. Supplementation with Calcium aids weight loss in overweight people consuming a low-calorie diet in 3 to 6 months. Green Tea Extract may support a weight-loss program by increasing energy expenditure or by inhibiting the digestion of fat in the intestine. L-Glutamine promotes the synthesis of glutathione, an important antioxidant in the body which protects the body during the weight loss process.

If you are concerned or unsure about your symptoms, please contact your healthcare provider for professional medical advice.

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02-01-07, 10:09 PM
Wildflower63
I completely understand inherited problems with weight gain. I have never known my mother or brother to be at a reasonable weight. I happen to be fortunate of genetics. My dad has always been thin and so have I, with exception.

We are not all the same of metabolism. Some of us genetically just get fat easy from our genetics, as my mom and brother do. I gained weight because of lack of activity at close to 40 and lucky to only have 40lbs to lose.

The entire reason I got fat, meaning need to lose 40lbs to be perfect, is because my kids got older and didn't want Mom taking them to the zoo or amusement park. I stayed at home while my teens behaved as all teens do, spending time with their peers.

If anyone had my poor choice of eating habits and lack of activity, you would be so fat that you wouldn't even be a candidate for GI bypass surgery, while I stress over 40lbs.

I will admit that my weight is entirely my fault. I go to work and watch cable TV. I don't have kids to take to the zoo or amusement park. I only have a dog to motivate me to walk her, but she doesn't want to be walked. She wants to run free. I can do that after hours at the nearby golf course. Do I? Not usually.

We need to feel ok about ourselves no matter how fat! We should be ok with buying XXXL clothing and like what we are, fat Americans.

02-02-07, 08:46 AM
doñadiana
We bought a home recently and we looked at quite a few before deciding. One thing I noticed is the lack of counter space in the kitchens. I told my husband that I think it is because people don't cook anymore so the building industry doesn't bother to offer big farm kitchens. If you want more counter space you buy a more expensive model or pay extra for a kitchen island.

Another thought: People can't let their children run the neighborhood like we did when we were kids. It just isn't safe anymore. It is safer to have them sit in from of TV for hours. At least you know where they are and that they are safe. That is really sad.

All the hormones pumped into cattle and chickens. etc. to fatten them may be causing hormonal upsets that affect our ability to metabolize our food. No proof of course.....but a person can't help wondering....Roll Eyes

DD

02-02-07, 02:31 PM
DvdGStwrt
Wildflower.

Go to the zoo by yourself - enjoy it.

02-02-07, 02:44 PM
aminator2002

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We need to feel ok about ourselves no matter how fat! We should be ok with buying XXXL clothing and like what we are, fat Americans.



We should feel good about ourselves yes, but we should feel good about ourselves enough to care about weight problems. We never have to be "okay" with being overweight. And nobody should be okay with buying XXXL clothing whether male or female. That's a health problem not just a risk.

02-06-07, 06:55 AM
tsaeb
I was salivating when I saw "38 cookies" on my computer, but I got full on this thread.

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