Acetone: main ingredient in paint and fingernail polish remover.
Ammonia: a typical household cleaner.
Benzene: rubber cement.
Butane: cigarette lighter fluid.
Cadmium: found in batteries and artists’ oil paint.
Carbon Monoxide: a poisonous gas found in car exhaust, as well as from other sources.
DDT/ Dieldrin: insecticides.
Fiberglass: a material often used to make the hulls of boats, as well as for fiberglass pipes. Small particles of fiberglass are found in some cigarettes and chewing tobacco. Fiberglass is included in these products in order to cause tiny cuts in a smoker or chewer’s mouth, throat and lungs to ensure faster delivery of nicotine and other chemicals to the blood stream.
Formaldehyde: used to embalm dead bodies.
Hexamine: a major ingredient in barbecue lighter fluid.
Hydrazine: used in jet and rocket fuels.
Hydrogen Cyanide: used as a poison in gas chambers.
Lead: a highly poisonous metal that used to be found in some paints.
Naphthalenes: used in explosives, moth balls, and paint pigments.
Nitrobenzene: a gasoline additive.
Phenol: used in disinfectants and plastics.
Polonium: radiation dosage, equal to 300 chest x-rays in one year.
Satiric Acid: found in candle wax.
Styrene: found in insulation material (Styrofoam).
Toluene: embalmers glue.
Vinyl Chloride: ingredient found in garbage bags. **************************************************************** 09-25-02, 08:09 PM Sherasi All the thing a Growing Child needs. big grin
09-25-02, 09:51 PM samantha wonder how it is that some people can smoke and never get "hooked" on them at all. I don't really smoke but, I have off and on the past weeks and find that when I feel really nervous it helps, but, at the same time I don't at all seem to crave them. If I don't have one I don't miss it.
09-26-02, 12:46 AM MrSensitive Was there a question?
Mr(skips ingredient lists)Sensitive
09-26-02, 11:18 AM roogalator Do you have a source for all of that? No doubt you are well intentioned but that's a lot to swallow (inhale) whatever. Mr. (been smoking for 34 years).
09-26-02, 03:40 PM Georgia85 I'm curious to a source as well. I've heard the radio commercials about ammonia being in cigarettes and I've seen the commercial with the dying NY subway "rat" advertising Arsenic in the cigarettes...yet I've never seen any documentation. Old times rolled their own smokes from tobacco they harvested. Do you mean to tell me that all those ingredients are necessary for us to get prepackaged and prepared cigarettes? Somehow I don't buy it....
09-26-02, 04:21 PM MkStfnz I always have a source to back up my information.
You can read the list on KickButtsDay.org. The list comes from a middle school activity, and there are two different lists on the link I'm giving you. One is the items that would be cost effective to purchase for this activity. The other are the ones that would not be cost effective to purchase. I alphabetized them in my post, so the list will have them in a different order.
09-27-02, 02:02 AM MrSensitive I'm betting that most of these ingredients are used in the manufacturing of the paper and the filter- and probably not actually a lot IN the cigarette itself, but in the manufacturing process. But anything goes in the "War on Freedom", doesn't it?
Mr(Sir-Smokes-A-Lot)Sensitive
09-27-02, 03:34 PM MkStfnz Even if you are correct in that some of the ingredients are in the paper, the paper is being burned too. This means that anything that is enclosed in, or is a part of the paper is getting burned, inhaled, and put into the air of those around the smoker.
09-28-02, 12:19 AM MrSensitive I DID say "used in the manufacturing of the paper and filter", though some traces may actually be found in the paper and filter itself. There is no sensible reason why most of those ingredients would be included with the tobacco, so it stands to reason those products are used to create filters and MAYBE the paper. Since no one smokes the filter (intentionally) I don't see the harm. So I'll just relax...and have a smoke.
Mr(Arsenic and Old Gold)Sensitive
09-28-02, 01:55 PM socylskills Candy cigarettes are a gateway drug
10-02-02, 05:50 AM hassia i think it´s cute how all the smokers here are trying to defend their habits and its repercussions.
10-02-02, 07:08 AM MrSensitive I'm not out to defend my "habit". My habits need no defense. I'm defending my poor ol' cigarette manufacturers who need all the defense they can get! After all, who do you think pays their 40-billion dollar lawsuits? You and me, that's who! Besides, there was no good reason to post these ingredients here in some lame attempt to attack a perfectly good cigarette. Hell, there wasn't even a question in the post! It was just a post aimed at poisoning our opinions of smoking!
Pure propaganda, plain and simple.
Mr(hacker backer)Sensitive
10-02-02, 07:20 AM MrSensitive
quote:Originally posted by socylskills: Candy cigarettes are a gateway drug
LOL!
No one starts off with candy cigarettes. They usually start off flicking their Pez-head, then move on to the candy cigarettes and then to Zots which are a harder candy. It all starts in the doctor's office when they hand your kid the pineapple DumDum. From there it's just a slippery slope downhill on the road of drug/candy addiction. Ever wonder why no one knows how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie-roll center of a tootsie pop? And people dare laugh at the "Twinkie Defense"!??
Mr(addicted to conversation hearts)Sensitive
10-02-02, 01:15 PM Katanya2000
quote:Originally posted by MrSensitive: I'm not out to defend my "habit". My habits need no defense. I'm defending my poor ol' cigarette manufacturers who need all the defense they can get! After all, who do you think pays their 40-billion dollar lawsuits? You and me, that's who! Besides, there was no good reason to post these ingredients here in some lame attempt to attack a perfectly good cigarette. Hell, there wasn't even a question in the post! It was just a post aimed at poisoning our opinions of smoking!
Pure propaganda, plain and simple.
Mr(hacker backer)Sensitive
Why would you consider this "poisioning" rather than "educating"??
10-02-02, 06:14 PM nursey63 Wow that is amazing. But maybe that is why I have taken care of so many patients that are dying because they smoked. I know it is a habit, my husband does it. But for the life of me why start to begin with. Smell your ashtray with your eyes shut now imagine kissing your mate. That is what your partner smells every time you open your mouth. It is gross! I know I have bad habits too related to food. But I don't have it every day. Cigs. here are costing about $30 a carton. Now that is crazy. Well I will get off my soap box. Thanks for listening. A concern nurse taking care of all those hackers.
11-10-02, 03:03 PM cattywampus Excuse me, MR.S. don't include me in those paying for the tobacco companies' loss in all those lawsuits - I don't smoke. Remember, too, we care about you or we wouldn't be taking you to task, would we? (FIY, there is an easy way to find out how many licks it takes to get to the middle of a Tootsie Pop - there's a counter, sold by Stupid.com, to tell you).
And those of you who doubt there are that many, there are 599 different compounds in a typical cigarette, so Mr. Stiffnose hasn't come near listing them all.
It doesn't really surprise me that people will deliberately commit an act that is sure to have deleterious effects on them - even unto death - but the fact that they pay $6 a pack to do so truly boggles my mind.
Mr Stiffnose, may I have your permission to diseminate this information through the smoking world?
And Nursey, be sure to tell them to put a little water in that ashtray. It was partly my husband's refusal to kiss me that prompted me to quit. Of course he never kissed me afterward, either, but...oh, well...
Catty (who prays that all will quit smoking) frown
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11-19-02, 04:30 PM cattywampus Mr Stfnz, you may be happy to hear that by posting this here you may have saved someone's life.
My oldest granddaughter got so tired of hearing me nag her about smoking that she all but stopped talking to me. Last week I sent her the list you posted. She snapped back at me that it sure didn't make her day.
Monday she started on the patch. This is her 2nd day without smoke.
Thankyouthankyouthankyou....n
Catty (rejoicing!) big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin
11-20-02, 01:30 AM MrSensitive
quote:Originally posted by cattywampus: Excuse me, MR.S. don't include me in those paying for the tobacco companies' loss in all those lawsuits - I don't smoke.
You might want to investigate how many other products are part of the Phillip-Morris family before you stand adamantly by that statement. Smokers are just a small percentage of those who pay for the anti-smoking lawsuits.
quote:And those of you who doubt there are that many, there are 599 different compounds in a typical cigarette, so Mr. Stiffnose hasn't come near listing them all.
I don't doubt it. it would be naive to think that a filterless cigarette is 100% pure tobacco. But there are probably a lot more than 600 compounds in a Denny's soyburger if one really wanted to break it down. The list of ingredients is irrelevent if they don't include in such a list the purpose for those ingredients. Hell, the crackers served with my soup are 10% cellophane.
quote:It doesn't really surprise me that people will deliberately commit an act that is sure to have deleterious effects on them - even unto death - but the fact that they pay $6 a pack to do so truly boggles my mind.
Well, we'd be much happier if the governments would stop throwing 70% tax on the product, but then where would our government be if all the smokers stopped smoking? I'm sure part of it is addiction. But I also ENJOY smoking cigarettes, cigars and pipe tobacco. I also smoke as an act of defiance toward the anti-smoking lobby as well as my state government. My state chooses to impose over $1.50/pack tax on cigarettes so I get mine out of the state, directing my dollars to states more conducive to personal choice and freedom. Screw Washington.
quote:Mr Stiffnose, may I have your permission to diseminate this information through the smoking world?
Do what you will. I believe in freedom and choice. If someone chooses to smoke plastic sandwich bags around me, I have the freedom and the choice to move away from them. If a restaurant chooses to have a "heavy perfume section", I can choose a different restaurant. Freedom isn't only about what I choose to do, but others choosing to do the things that I don't like- as long as it is not a direct assault upon me. Freedom. Remember when it still meant something?
Mr(in full plume)Sensitive
11-21-02, 07:14 AM Elexina Um, no offense, but is anyone here surprised that cigarettes are bad for you?
12-04-02, 05:11 AM SeattleRon thats the governments way of saying, hey look at all these fools who still smoke and are paying for our mercedez BMW's and large fancy houses. Even we told them what it does. Lets charge as much as we can a pack cause I mean hell cigarettes kill off 475,000 people a year thats less criminals and people we gotta worry about populating and taking space on our country. I'm a damn smoker myself, started when I was 13. since i started ain't eveer gonna put it down permantely. I put down cocaine easier than i will ever put down cigarettes. The government is in on this to, lets keep cigarettee legal cause it takes care of two problems, population and our money shortage. and thats the way it is.
12-05-02, 04:33 AM hassia Geez, Ron you sound like you`re an old fart of about 80 years old! "i been smoking since i was 13!" from your profile- you were only born in 1982.
12-05-02, 09:58 PM Northwind Dagas
quote: Do what you will. I believe in freedom and choice. If someone chooses to smoke plastic sandwich bags around me, I have the freedom and the choice to move away from them. If a restaurant chooses to have a "heavy perfume section", I can choose a different restaurant. Freedom isn't only about what I choose to do, but others choosing to do the things that I don't like- as long as it is not a direct assault upon me. Freedom. Remember when it still meant something?
Mr(causes harm to others yet claims to be)Sensitive:
As a former smoker, I'm not quick to condemn smokers, for I know the addiction and the pleasures of smoking. However, now that I am a non-smoker, I do take offense to the notion that people have a right to posion me. Smoking has proven to be hazardous, and thus should be banned from public places. In your own home, smoke all you want! But if you are in a restaurant, have a little concern for the people around you and wait till you get home before puffing up. Of course I could choose another restaurant, but I shouldn't have to because of concern for my health.
I agree that the cigarette ingredents list is slanted, for (as you said) you don't smoke the filter. However, a more fair tool would be a list of ingredients actually found in the smoke:
quote: Cigarette smoke contains over 4,700 chemicals, over 200 poisons, and over 50 human carcinogens. The poisons in cigarette smoke include carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide, and methyl isocyanate. The carcinogens in cigarette smoke include benzo[a]pyrene and NNK, which cause lung cancer; nitrosamines, which cause cancer of the lung, respiratory system, and other organs; aromatic amines, which cause bladder and breast cancer; formaldehyde, which causes nasal cancer; and benzene, which causes leukemia. The carcinogen NNK has been found in nonsmokers who have been exposed to secondhand smoke.
Any restaurant found to have formaldehyde in their food would be shut down, so why should a restaurant be allowed to have formaldehyde in their air?? It's not about infringing on freedoms, its about protecting people. Are we infringing on people's freedom to drink and drive by banning it? It's illegal because it kills.
12-06-02, 03:11 AM MrSensitive
quote:Originally posted by Northwind Dagas:
As a former smoker, I'm not quick to condemn smokers, for I know the addiction and the pleasures of smoking. However, now that I am a non-smoker, I do take offense to the notion that people have a right to posion me. Smoking has proven to be hazardous, and thus should be banned from public places. In your own home, smoke all you want! But if you are in a restaurant, have a little concern for the people around you and wait till you get home before puffing up. Of course I could choose another restaurant, but I shouldn't have to because of concern for my health.
Actually, you SHOULD have to choose, just as you choose a healthy meal over a Big Mac, you SHOULD be choosing a healthy dining environment over a smoking restaurant. The restauranteur is in the business of making money and catering to a smoking clientele is part of that profit margin. You don't have a RIGHT to a restauranteur's establishment, though you do have a right to equal access. Once you access, you make a choice to either patronize the establishment or to leave. I agree that in places where a person HAS no choices, such as courthouses, elevators and welfare offices, smoking should be banned. But we should not infringe on a person's right to smoke, nor their right to operate a business which caters to a smoking clientele.
quote:Any restaurant found to have formaldehyde in their food would be shut down, so why should a restaurant be allowed to have formaldehyde in their air??
The difference being that the restaurant advertises their environment as full of formaldehyde. Yet people still patronize the place. Whose fault is that? You open the door, smell the formaldehyde and do you walk in or do you turn around and walk out? Everyone has access. Everyone has a choice. Those who care about their health will go elsewhere. Those who don't care will inhale the poisons. As a guest in someone's home, I don't ask their guests to refrain from smoking. As a guest in a restaurant, it's the same thing. It is up to the host to decide whether smoking will or will not be allowed.
quote: It's not about infringing on freedoms, its about protecting people. Are we infringing on people's freedom to drink and drive by banning it? It's illegal because it kills.
It's illegal because it is an assault on a public road where there are no alternatives. Banning smoking in private businesses IS infringing upon freedom. It's not a restauranteur's responsibility to protect a person from their own choices.
Mr(to protect AND serve food?)Sensitive
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12-09-02, 02:45 AM SeattleRon this is messed up. Phillip Morris owns a lot of things so whether your a smoker or not your gonna pay. Thats ridiculous. OUr government is nothing but a bunch of two faced hipocrits. and everybody knows exactly what i mean.
02-06-03, 12:59 PM mattlynda 'You don't have a RIGHT to a restauranteur's establishment, though you do have a right to equal access. Once you access, you make a choice to either patronize the establishment or to leave.'
so what about walking down the street?? do non smokers not have the right to walk outside without having to breathe that crap in when a smoker walks by? what choice do non smokers have on the street? o sure we could throw ourselves into trafic to get to the other side to avoid the smoker, thereby avoiding the situation, but really, is that realistic? is the choice become a recluse and never leave your home to avoid second hand somoke, or go outside and have to breathe in the smoke caused by people standing around the doorways to stores, banks, ect. if people want to smoke go ahead and let them. but non smokers shouldnt have to worry about getting a lung full of crud just because they have to go buy milk.
02-06-03, 03:18 PM methos I can't personally guarrantee the other ingredients, but I have tested cigarrette smoke for formaldehyde and it's definitely in there (the experiment analyzed the smoke that would be inhaled, not the second-hand smoke).
02-28-03, 01:46 AM
SeattleRon man...cigarettes are cool and you know it! Smile
04-24-03, 02:15 AM SeattleRon so now people can't smoke outside no more? nobody owns the air outside so they can't tell people that.
04-24-03, 08:38 AM Texan-In-Exile It'd be OK with me if nobody ever smoked again - but that's neither my choice nor a realistic desire.
I feel that out in the open air, a person should be allowed to smoke. Sure, you breathe in second-hand smoke when passing by, but only a tiny bit. It's not enough to do harm unless you pass through a lot of it repeatedly. As for myself, I can hold my breath for the few seconds it takes to get past the smoke.
When I was growing up, almost all adults smoked. It wasn't until I got married that I lived in a smoke-free home. Even then, it was only in the last 10-15 years that public places started instituting smoke-free environments. I look at it this way - if I didn't die from all the second-hand smoke I inhaled growing up, I can survive a puff or two on the street now and then.
04-24-03, 05:14 PM gatman As one who quit the nasty habit 20+ years ago I encourage everyone to kick the habit. I will agree that the cigerette companies are being kicked rather a bit much themselves though. Having been sued in the multi state trail they are still sued by other states and even cities if I recall correctly. And of course the poor individuals that all want their own meeellions. I would send the individuals packing. They have gotten to their sorry state a pack at a time as is. Meanwhile some don't seem to be harmed by it so puff away if you must but not in my air please.
04-25-03, 07:20 AM Elexina There exists what I like to call "cigaretiquette." That is, when you are smoking in a public place it is common courtesy to lessen the effects of your habit on others. Examples: in a crowded concert hall one should blow smoke up into the air rather than just out at your fellow concert-goers. When travelling through the crowd, one should hold ones cigarette above the head, in order to minimize lighting others on fire. When passing someone on a sidewalk, one ought to hold ones cigarette in the outside hand, away from the other person. Do not blow smoke out without concern, instead wait until there is no one around, or blow it away from others (preferably with the wind).
I have every right to destroy my body with tobacco if I wish. But I ought to minimize others' exposure to my bad habit as much as possible.
07-09-03, 07:27 AM soaringhorse Geez, Tree all that in one little cigarette, somebody must be awful busy in their job to make these coffin nails. I, for one, smoke and I respect the non smokers more so now, especially with all these new rules. I feel guilty in a non smokers presence and will not light up if they don't want me too. That's thier right to breathe clean air. The thing that bothers me is we are getting so restricted as to where we can smoke, usually outside the doors or in the parking garages at work, that it is very hard to find a place to smoke. Yes, I know, we shouldn't smoke, and it's not fair for non smokers to have to walk thru this cloud of carcinogens, so what's the solution? Put us in a bubble room with air cleaners, lol. Nootttttt! It's going to get worse too, I can just see it coming. The restaurants will all be non smoking inside and out. This non smoking area and smoking area is bizarre, what keeps the smoke from floating over to the non smoking section, an invisible shield? LOL I for one hate that they are jacking up the prices on cigarettes, it seems like we have to quit, we won't be able to afford them eventually.
07-09-03, 04:12 PM DvdGStwrt Here in California for years we are no longer allowed to smoke in restaurants, stores, and a few years ago the law was passed that removed smoking from bars and clubs.
Some towns around here even want to make it illegal to smoke in public, like on the side walk, or even in your car!
And what have we in the way of stop smoking programs? not much, but enough regulation to make you want to stop smoking. That and the taxes.
I was going to do one of the prescription drugs, but they only had their classes during the day, what, am I suppose to take off of work for a week to go to an hour class each day to be told all the things I already know from years of trying to quit?
Needless to say, with out the class, no pills.
when I started smoking at age 13 - a pack of smokes came out of the machine for 60 cents.
I swore I would quit if they reached a dollar a pack.
I swore I would quit if they reached two dollars a pack. I have kept swearing I would quit, even though they are now nearly $5.00 a pack.
Sure I am aware that they are not good for me, yes, I know that they lead to health issues and death. Yes I know it is a filthy habit leaving brown stains all over the place and costs a lot. And ashes, and well just a mess all the way around.
But, Regulating me and telling me I may not smoke is not helping the matter. Raising the cost 5 fold hasn't stopped me, and I fear that telling me to go outside doesn't stop me either.
People seem to be forgetting that smoking is an addiction - It is not a matter of will power, I have quit many times, it is a physical and psychological addiction.
Its way too easy to re-start, sometimes I wish that they would make tobacco illegal, take it off the shelves and have at it. Availability makes it too easy to start again, and makes it very hard to stop.
When I stopped using meth, I moved from my old friends, my hold play grounds and my old play toys. I made it difficult for me to start again by placing myself in the position where getting meth would require a lot of work.
Can't do that with smoking. It's everywhere (There are a few places, however I can't live in a monastery or hospital forever)
I was in the position once where I was away from stores for 90 days, I didn't smoke for all that time, and after the first week the cravings went away. Everyone around me couldn't smoke around me - thus no tease. It wasn't until I returned to social life that I was confronted with smokers who, blowing smoke in my face, were unaware that just the smell of smoke made me desperately want one. One is never enough you know. I found myself bumming a smoke, the next thing you know I was back to buying the damned things.
Telling me all the bad things in cigarettes ain't going to make me quit.
David
07-09-03, 10:38 PM Tree Hey, yes soaringhorse....
A non smoking section in a restaurant is like posting a sign that says "No urinating in the "this" section of the swimming pool".
Wink
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