I was talking to some friends the other day about the growing number of people that I see that must be meth addicts... at least I think that's what the problem is. No sooner did we have the conversation about people with horrible teeth and sunken cheek bones that look like they just got beat with the ugly stick, than we ran face to face with someone who fit the profile. The lady at the gas station we stopped at looked like a formerly pretty woman, but her teeth were brown and some missing, her cheek bones were sunken into her face and she looked like if she lost another pound she'd die. She looked about 55 but I could tell she was only around 38 or so. She was laughing like crazy and way too shakey for normal behavior.
We saw the same profile woman working at the Cubs game the week before and I periodically see women and men that look like this wandering around town. They look like they are lost and have a bit of a stagger but don't look like drunks. With greater frequency it seems.
Am I right that this is meth addiction? And if so, don't you think there could be more widespread advertising of the results of using this stuff? I think the poster children of meth addiction would do a great deal to keep people from using that junk... is enough being done? ********************************************************************* 08-30-05, 07:45 PM samantha Ami it is on the rise big time. Used to be it was only made in rural areas but now its all over. There was just a special on it on tv here in Columbus area saying how highly used and made it is now in this area. My brother has been on this for years and hes in bad shape. The last i seen him his teeth were fine but that is the least of his problems now. He is now schizophrenic it is drug induced. He always for the past few years thinks they are making some reality show of him and all. He is a mess. He is even off that drug now but still hears voices in his head. That drug is evil for sure. The TV show on about it said that most people who use it and do not get off only live on the average of five years. Of course the people you see may not be crank users but possibly herion addicts which is on the rise big time because its a cheap street drug or even coke..
08-30-05, 08:09 PM DvdGStwrt I used meth for years - and I have all my teeth, still pass for mid-twenties.
The issue is not using, per-se, but the amount used. Though I tweaked (used speed) for a long period of time, most of that time I was only a "weekend warrior" tweaking Friday nights, crashing through Saturday late night to Monday morning. - Or doing Raves on 3-4 day weekends. I maintained a job for years, maintained a nice apartment, kept myself hygenically clean, etc.
Most (not all) tweakers are the weekend warrior kind of tweaker - the ones you are talking about gave up a long, long time ago and most likley tweak everyday for days at a time.
It takes about 4-6 months of heavy tweaking to lose 50+ pounds. That is if you are constrained by money issues. Most, not all, heavy tweakers usually are collecting a dole, unemployment, welfare, disability, etc - a limited income which cushions the fall.
Why is it still prevelant? because it is cheap to make, easy to make - there is no way the ingredients can be controlled completely - not without taking out some simple pillars of commerce, or making it hard for people to do what they need to do (outside of the meth-labs). The ease of production and the ease to get a hold of it makes it a high use drug.
Mind drugs go in cycles, one year or series of years it may be heroine (depoending on availablity of the product) other years it may be coke. Meth is always available because it is manufactured here at home. Coke, Heroine, Pot usually are shipped intot he local area/nation.
People know what it does. When they take the first dose they learn why people are so willing to trash their lives, even die for it. Meth is a drug that, if slammed (IV use) has an immediate, intense rush that goes on for hours - when smoked the rush is about half as strong, when snorted or ingested otherwise you have the "tweak" - the single minded attention to detail and stuff that makes it a number one dance party drug - You dance and dance and dance and get so into the music it becomes the whole world.
In NA meetings a guy explained it like this.
Using speed is like sex for the very first time, multiplied by ten and always - ALWAYS - getting better.
And that is why it is such a popular and powerful drug.
08-30-05, 08:34 PM Sherasi Sounds fun...
and terrifying.
I would be afraid of getting hooked and never getting loose from it.
08-30-05, 09:41 PM gizmogram Oregon's meth problem has gotten SO huge and out of control that the legislators have seen fit to make ALL OTC medications including pseudoephedrine in pill form available only by prescription.
I would imagine that other states may follow suit.
I'm just hoping that the drug companies come up with more liquid cold/allergy medications to replace the current pill forms, which is what the meth labs use to produce their drugs.
As a person with no health insurance, I sincerely do not wish to have to pay for a doctor visit merely to get Sudafed!
08-31-05, 09:21 AM aminator2002 David,
Is this the same stuff that has always been called speed?
I understand what you're saying about the heavy users being the ones that ruin their appearance... but is it just this drug that makes people look so run down? I mean the people that use heroin look emaciated but I never saw anyone with these brown teeth before... maybe because I live in a city and this was a big rural drug before?
A CBS report on meth use shows pictures of people that are meth addicts and they look just like the people I've run into... it's really strange to see. I've seen crackheads, heroin addicts and coke addicts and don't think anyone compared to this... looking like they are on deaths door.
08-31-05, 07:05 PM DvdGStwrt Methamphetamine: Also known as:
Crank, Crack, Speed, ice, crystal, crystal meth, Vitamin Go, Vien candy... well there are a lot of names. Frown
Most likely you just haven't noticed the people who are ran down, or you are living in an area where meth wasn't really a popular drug. Once coke stars flowing again the number of tweakers will go down.
08-31-05, 08:27 PM DorianGreyed As late as the mid sixties, doctors were still using speed as a diet pill. Just another one of Mother's Little Helpers.
09-01-05, 10:50 PM DvdGStwrt
quote: Originally posted by DorianGreyed: As late as the mid sixties, doctors were still using speed as a diet pill. Just another one of Mother's Little Helpers.
Yes, but then the dosage was far different that what one takes for recreational purposes.
for Doctors prescriptions we are talking something like a 50 mg of active ingedient (.05 gram) For tweaking purposes the dosage starts of at .25 gram.
The difference is like drinking a cup of coffee compared to drinking 25 cups of coffee all at one time.
09-04-05, 10:29 PM SeattleRon Meth's main ingredient is ephedrine. I had a short stint using that drug. probably about a year from last March to this past May. we'd go through between a teener and an 8ball a day. up for like 7 or 9 days and crash. I lived at the time in Marysville, Wa about 8 miles from Granite Falls, Wa. The meth capital of America. To me the feeling was great, it was like taking ecstasy but way cheaper and longer lasting high. I felt so much higher on that than I was doing cocaine. I felt like God. I still ate though. I couldn't eat, but I forced myself anyway. Thats just how I always been. I put it down forever though when some friends and me were at my house. We were up for about 4 days and they kept looking out the window a lot. You who were tweakers know how that is. I got all paranoid and pulled my strap and was like whats goin on, you guys call the cops or something? Needless to say after that I made them leave and i drank a bunch of alcohol. Never picked it up again. Meth is a cancer on society. I can honestly say that a drug that makes you pick up a gun and point it at your friends is not something to be using.
To answer your question most of those toothless skinny people are on meth, but not all of them. I never lost any teeth and I smoked that stuff. The whole time I only lost about 15 pounds.
09-06-05, 05:55 PM Wildflower63 If meth, with all legal ingredients, will solve my issue of 40lbs., I'm game!!
You really screwed up going there, with weight loss. Don't you know women will do almost anything to get rid of fat? We will. I only have 40lbs to make me 115 again. A lot of women have a lot more than this to worry about.
I strongly suggest you don't display the positives of meth. Women that want to lose weight will try it and it will work. We don't go for injection of any drug, but you are making it sound good to women who want to lose weight.
I know, this is not your intent, but people like me might read your post and interpret something you didn't want to say, weight loss!
09-06-05, 09:26 PM honilov WF, you might be right, but it's hard to believe that women would be that stupid, to become a meth addict just to lose weight. What good is losing weight if you gotta look like a corpse just to do it? Just doesn't make sense.
09-06-05, 09:32 PM aminator2002 Wow... that's exactly the ignorance I'm talking about. Look at the pictures WF and go ahead and lose some weight if that's all you think about.
09-07-05, 06:39 PM Wildflower63 I'm desparate! I'm willing to try anything! lol! Sorry, that was intended with humor about what women will really do that isn't exactly healthy just to be thin. I understand.
Did anyone check out Kirsty Allie's show Fat Actress? Her brother is a crack head. The big debate was her health risk of being overweight vs. crack to make her thin. It was funny!
09-07-05, 08:53 PM Sherasi Wildflower, if you are back to working, why not try the LA Weight Loss Program. It worked for me. It was a healthy easy way to lose weight and I didn't have to use any "special meals". I prepared my own with my own food.
40 pounds isn't that difficult with a structured program like this one. I, myself, lost 86 pounds over about a year.
I chose to buy the protein bars from GNC which costed less and I didn't take any of the offered supplements and I lost weight just fine.
I bought a box of their bars and then compared the nutritional content with what other nutritional stores were offering at cheaper prices.
The Center DOES have other food choices for variety, but that is entirely your decision.
Much better to lose weight naturally and figure out how to learn what and how to eat then trust a drug that may get a death grip on you.
I haven't seen that program you described. Sorry, I don't understand the reference.
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09-08-05, 12:19 PM SeattleRon Meth is the white mans crack. the strange thing that made me fascinated with it in the first place is how it was smoked. It was nothing like I never seen before. the whole process intrigued me. Even the preperation of the light bulb. What atracted me to it in the first place was people telling me you can have sex on it for hours on end. Only true if you can even manage to get an erection. Personally when it came down to it I would rather do ecstacy. It's more of a glamour drug anyway. And more safe. After my experience with that crap I will never touch glass again. It's disgusting, it will destroy you, and it's a cancer that is eating away at our society.
09-09-05, 12:49 PM DvdGStwrt WildFlower,
The Speed Weight Loss Program works, it really works. I went from 199 to 139 in 4 months – At 6’1” my “optimal” weight is 185-190 – Granted I could slid easily into a 28 waist of 501’s and still have room for two fingers, but a gust of wind could knock me over too.
Sure you don’t have to do “a lot” of speed to lose weight; you don’t even have to do a whole ¼ each time.
But you will because once you get a taste you always want just a little bit more, I started off snorting a tenth of a gram, 6 months later I was willing and able to slam a whole gram – sure it knocked me flat on my back, but sweet Jesus the rush was like totally awesome – so what if I couldn’t get off the floor for a day? I was seriously considering doing two full grams just to see if I could – the small fact that I would certainly die was only a “minor problem”.
And you will be able to control yourself and keep from going from the straw to the pipe to the needle.
For about a week or maybe two, lets hope you don’t get around anyone who slams (use the needle) and watch them slam and see that rush hit them like a ton of bricks – it will get you interested in just “trying it once”.
And yes you will lose those 40 pounds, if you are really dedicated you can loss 40 pounds in less than 3 months. You also stand to lose:
Your job – employers get a little bit miffed at tweakers being late for work or not showing up or showing up tweaking and really messing up on the job. Most tweakers soon forget what time it is, meaning they forget to go to work. However the bright side is you most likely will enter into a new career path. Young boys and women tend to favor the path of prostitution a blow job will get you $25 easily which translates into a quarter – in fact you will start thinking in terms of quarters, halves, grams, teenagers, 8 balls etc when it comes to money, street wise and hardened types tend to get into the sales angle and can easily convince themselves that they will not become their own best customer.
Your Family, who you will most certainly be willing to sell off after as little as a month for that next hit, or at least steal from, use, abuse or otherwise screw over to supply what will readily become a growing habit. Of course you will come to see your family as “picking on you” when they start asking why you are acting strangely, or “not understanding you” when they want to sleep at night and you want to stay up all night long, or why they pester you to see if your ok when you sleep for 24 hours straight after a long tweak. Family soon becomes a burden, unless of course they too share in your program of weight loss. But there is a bright side to that, you will get a new family of conniving, selfish, users and abusers who will be your bestest of friends (as long as you are holding a baggie).
Your home, car, what ever you may own, after all when you are looking for that next fix you will readily reason out that you don’t really need a TV, a computer, this bit of jewelry, that bit of jewelry – In fact in this you will gain new friends, either street friends who will take those things off your hands for far less than you paid for it, or the pawn shop guy who will smile when you swear you will come back next week to pick up the item you are just “borrowing” some money for.
Your sanity, well at least your emotional well being. You will learn to go from depressed to breaking the glass ceiling of happiness in 60 second – less if you discover the joys of the needle – Sure, the rush is tremendous, the tweak goes on and on, but when you come down you come down so hard that that razor blade, that gun, that high building, that rat poison really begins to look like a viable option to “take care” of the mess your life will become.
Did I mention your Sanity? Most tweakers soon develop either a preferred method of tweak (picking at stuff, picking at themselves, chasing the bag, dumpster diving, sex, repetitive behavior which becomes more and more obsessive) or soon develop the notion that somebody is peeking through the window, or there is micro TV cameras in every room, or the police is right outside the house getting ready to break down the door and arrest you, or that everybody is conspiring to steal from you, hurt you, kill you, whatever. That paranoia will not end once you quit using either, many tweakers tend to be suspicious for years after they go clean.
You decide, is losing 40 pounds worth that much to you?
09-10-05, 05:43 PM Wildflower63 Drinking too much is legal, but don't drive or be disruptive enough to the point you just stepped on someone else's legal rights. We are grown ups here that actually do meet our friends after work for a few too many. Adults do visit each other with beer or cocktails and appetizers. Weed always does seem to show up, without invitation.
I don't know about you guys, but I can get wasted enough at a formal cocktail party to the point I refuse to drive. Why do people using meth and crack seem so together? They aren't tripping over their own feet, like I do drinking too much. They can and do drive a car and don't do too bad at it.
I read everything you said, David. It makes sense to me, but very unknown lifestyle. Ok, this is a lousy way to lose weight. If I have heard all that and still don't go there, I never will. I am protecting my nursing license, assets, teen kids, my dog, etc. I'm not going to fry over some drug bust that just cost me my career and everything else falls right along with it. I wont go there, but you don't get how many women do, for weight loss.
There really are many professional adults doing coke, meth, and crack that bust it out at work and the rest of us don't seem to be able to keep up with them. I'm tired after an eight hour shift. They are good to go on a double shift. I hate it! These 'tweaked' individuals make sober people, with exception to the fact that they really do show up late. No one fires them. They can blow you away with the amount of work sober people can deal with.
I have talked to a few women who do to lose weight and the ones that quit using and quickly start gaining. Why do the 'tweakers' sucessfuly pull the hours at work that I can't do? They lose weight rapidly, where I'm looking for a fast/healthy diet plan? No one talks about what David did, just how much weight they took off using meth and crack.
People really do make meth, crack, coke sound pretty ok. I had two co-workers tell me about this weight loss plan and they are nurses that are 'tweaked' running circles around the rest of us. People are clueless about this sort of thing, unless someone tells us. I'm telling you the up side of 'tweaking'. They lose mass weight and run circles around sober people. They are late for work, but who wants to fire them?
Sher, my congrats on losing that much weight!! 40lbs sounds like climbing a mountain to me. Thanks for the advice of groups that help with weight loss, in a lot healthier way. That would probably be a good idea since you meet others with the same goal and get a bit of encouragement to stick with it.
By the way, I do have a job, but it's travel nursing. You leave for a few weeks and stay home for a while. I can't keep doing this, although it pays well. My daughter is flexible, but 14. I leave my son the house and tell him to collect rent from anyone who stays too long. I'm going to keep my options open with travel agencies, but need a job at home, as much as I hate that idea.
CA has a lot of opportunity for nurses. It's extremely expensive to live next to the beach, but your agency covers that. If you can do it, I give it the recommend to at least try. It's like getting paid to go on vacation and live someplace you could never afford.
Enough nursing talk! Sorry members, but I know Sher is a nurse too.
So, David, is that really the life of meth and crack users? I haven't done this. I haven't ever tried this way. Users say it's all that, work and weight loss. You are telling me a different story.
09-11-05, 01:06 PM DvdGStwrt
quote: Originally posted by Wildflower63:
So, David, is that really the life of meth and crack users? I haven't done this. I haven't ever tried this way. Users say it's all that, work and weight loss. You are telling me a different story.
There are stages along the way that people can pause at. I snorted for years and years socially and as a method to maintain a lifestyle. I worked to make money so I could buy drugs so I could work more to make more money so I could by more drugs. I did a lot of other drugs well before I met Meth – by the time I met meth I was well on my way for looking for the hard-line party. Meth was my personal downfall, it was the “god” of drugs for me.
I was one of those functional addicts, meaning I was able to “party” and maintain a lifestyle (job, apartment, social life, etc) for a relatively long period of time. During that period I saw nothing wrong, and I believed that one could party and still live a life. I had other addicts envy my apparent ability to control my habits. And I did, for a long while. To the outside world it looked like I had everything under control, I even played it off as being in control, the fact of the matter was that I went from weekend partying to doing a line in the morning like having coffee in the morning a “jump start” for the day.
I went to work tweaking, was able to maintain my job for a long while. It is a world of lies, you lie to yourself, and you find “good reasons” to show that you are not like your human wrecks who have reached their bottom.
I even saw myself as better than some of my peers, after all I didn’t use the needle (at first) or I was still employed, or still in control, still had the apartment and stuff. I was better because my drug of choice wasn’t Heroin, or E or crack, or what ever. The mind plays tricks, draws imaginary lines between these things. 12 years ago my answer would be that only losers give themselves over to their addictions and lose control.
I know other addicts who maintained that level of functionality – however the majority I know/knew reached the point where their lives quickly spiraled out of control and they lost everything. I got clean and sober ten years ago, a couple of years ago I went back to my old play grounds just to see what I was missing. Most of my old friends either were gone (on the street, moved away, gone I don’t know where) in jail or had died. A few, like me, got clean and sober.
If you ask a user who is in their addiction(s), they will paint a rosy picture of the drug culture. You ask one who is in the process of recovery, or who has reached bottom they will tell you that though it was fun at the time, they see the errors of that way of life.
Go to an NA meeting and you find all of those drug addicts who have been there, done that and know, really know that the control is an illusion and that meth is a killer. Speed kills, not just on the highways, but everywhere.
09-12-05, 01:44 PM SeattleRon Wildflower it's exactly as how DvdGstwrt says it is. I was fortunate enough though to be able to afford the crap. I didn't like the new set of "friends" that started coming around. It's all fun and games until your spun out so bad and you pull a gun on your friends because they keep peeking out the window.
09-12-05, 11:10 PM Wildflower63 Meth Addicts? Ron and David, I believe both of you, but have questions. My big one is why can meth, crack, or even coke addicts work a double shift, but I'm tired after eight hours. Why do they work circles around the rest of us? Why do they lose 40 pounds, like I fight for, like nothing?
I tried the 'right ways'. I cannot compete with speed freaks at work or on the weight loss issue. I already know how easy it is to buy. Pull up to the guy in a white tee shirt. He sells to speed freaks. I might be the wrong color, in the wrong neighborhood, but why does my red head son always get away with this drug deal?
I already know to look for the white tee, for speed freaks, which this drug take pounds off of women. We can work circles around anyone. I'm supposed to go the 'straight way'?
I am a woman and weight does mean a big deal to us. Why do you think there are anorrexic and bulemic women, of all ages, to be thin. Women will almost sell their souls for this. If it works in a grand way, but is illegal, what stops me or other women who want to lose even more than 40lbs?
All you have to do is know all the wrong people and be thin again. It's all that, to women. It really is. Tell me again why I shouldn't go there? 09-13-05, 05:32 AM shelster
quote: Tell me again why I shouldn't go there?
Um...did you read the last page?
Ok...go back and reread it. 09-13-05, 01:38 PM DvdGStwrt
quote: Originally posted by Wildflower63: Ron and David, I believe both of you, but have questions. My big one is why can meth, crack, or even coke addicts work a double shift, but I'm tired after eight hours. Why do they work circles around the rest of us? Why do they lose 40 pounds, like I fight for, like nothing?
I tried the 'right ways'. I cannot compete with speed freaks at work or on the weight loss issue. I already know how easy it is to buy. Pull up to the guy in a white tee shirt. He sells to speed freaks. I might be the wrong color, in the wrong neighborhood, but why does my red head son always get away with this drug deal?
I already know to look for the white tee, for speed freaks, which this drug take pounds off of women. We can work circles around anyone. I'm supposed to go the 'straight way'?
I am a woman and weight does mean a big deal to us. Why do you think there are anorrexic and bulemic women, of all ages, to be thin. Women will almost sell their souls for this. If it works in a grand way, but is illegal, what stops me or other women who want to lose even more than 40lbs?
All you have to do is know all the wrong people and be thin again. It's all that, to women. It really is. Tell me again why I shouldn't go there?
To tell the truth you are ****ing me off here, you are working my last nerve when it comes to doing drugs to lose 40 pounds.
I have three kids who are thin, pretty and are speed freaks, let me tell you about their lives today.
Niece one is a slut, a meth whore who calls me early in the morning (3, 4 am) to cry about how much everybody hates her because Grandma and Grandpa kicked her out because her way of life got them a 60 Day eviction Notice. She is at thin as a rail and keeps her legs open for every boy that comes along with a baggy. I have had to hold her hand at the Public Health Department several times getting her tested for HIV and other STD’s because, by golly, many of the tricks she turns insists on not wearing a rubber and getting that baggie is more important to her (at the time) than being safe.
Niece Two is almost no better, but she is more conniving and has managed to use and abuse everybody in her life, yet being smart enough to make new friends to keep her housed. Just as miserable, just as unhappy and still unable to stop blaming everybody but herself. Still calls me to complain and cry and beg for a place to stay. What can I do? She doesn’t want to abide by my clean and sober household rules, does not want to attend meetings with me. Do I risk my home and happiness for her? Or do I just say no and try not to cry when on the phone with her?
The Nephew picked living under a bridge instead of getting clean and sober by going to rehab. We offered an alternative to Rehab, but by the time the offer was made he had messed up big time, went over to his mom’s tweaking and when she asked him to leave until he was clean, he pulled a knife and threatened to slit her throat. The police were called and he is now doing some time – it appears that he also got a violation so may be in prison for 3 years.
This is the high life, this is what happens to the majority. This is where it goes.
If you think that losing 40 pounds is worth that, then go for it. I can weep and cry over your broken body as much as I do over those kids – I’m used to it now. 09-13-05, 02:34 PM Sherasi WF,
I wish I were only 40 pounds over-weight. I truely do. Having weighed as much as two normal sized women (both approximately 140 pounds), I can safely say, 40 pounds over-weight is a place I'd even be happy to BE at and stop.
No weight loss achieved by taking illegal and addicting drug is worth the risks to life and health.
I still have about 70 pounds more to lose to BE 140 pounds.
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09-20-05, 10:00 PM SeattleRon Wildflower,
lose weight the right way and you'll feel a lot better about yourself. Plus you'll have your health, all your teeth, all your friends and family, all your stuff in your house, no police record and your self respect.
I hope this gets to you, what I'm about to say Wildflower is purely out of love. If you went out and tried to score You would get robbed so fast. You would end up with some fake worthless soap chunks, epsom salts or other crap that if you smoked it, you would get sick and go to the ER. When I was a dealer I saw suckers like you coming a mile away. You either got short changed or robbed for all your stack. Either that or I'd let you come back a few times till you got hooked and I'd take you for everything you had because if you didn't give it to me I'd take it from you. If I had to take it from you then you'd be face first on the concrete not knowing what hit you. Because I was a sick pup and I didn't care. You were just another dollar to me.
Wildflower, the streets is a motha, and the streets is the only place to get connected. I tell you this because I care enough to tell you straight up. You'll either get robbed, ripped off, raped, or killed out there looking around for that junk. People don't play around out there. Thats money you're playing with. Believe me Wildflower join a gym, don't be dumb and go out there and end up shot. Believe me it burns like hell... 09-22-05, 09:11 AM vansrme Wildflower, Try what I did, invest in a good treadmill, and spend about 10 minutes a day to start out with, walking as fast on it as you can. You'll sweat really hard, and the pounds WILL come off if you stick to it. I started out 5 weeks ago at 15 minutes and 3mph . After a week of that, I went to 20 minutes, then another week later, 30 minutes at 4 mph. I was sweating so much, my shirt was totally soaked along with the shorts and undies I was wearing. But, during the 5 weeks I was doing this, I lost 20 pounds! In 5 weeks! Now your weight loss might not be as rapid, but please try it! If you cant afford a treadmill, walk around the neighborhood, walk around your house a hundred times, but please, STAY AWAY FROM DRUGS TO DO IT! Even diet pills, STAY AWAY from them! Just be sure to walk as fast as you can. You have to be dedicated to do this, its not the easy way to be sure. But it can happen if you stay with it. Please keep us posted.
chris 09-22-05, 10:25 AM aminator2002 I am going to a wake tonight for a 28 year old guy who abused prescription drugs to his death bed.
Total tragedy. 08-16-06, 02:05 AM dogspit
quote: Originally posted by DvdGStwrt: Most tweakers soon develop either a preferred method of tweak (picking at stuff, picking at themselves, chasing the bag, dumpster diving, sex, repetitive behavior which becomes more and more obsessive) or soon develop the notion that somebody is peeking through the window, or there is micro TV cameras in every room, or the police is right outside the house getting ready to break down the door and arrest you, or that everybody is conspiring to steal from you, hurt you, kill you, whatever. That paranoia will not end once you quit using either, many tweakers tend to be suspicious for years after they go clean.
I have been clean for so many years now, yet much of the paranoia still is around for me. I still sometimes hear voices, especially when insomnia stikes. The massive holes in the sides of my teeth and the discomfort eating suck, but, do not begin to compare with the total inability to function normally in society. I suspect everyone around me of somehow being a "hazard" to me. I do not think that will ever change. 08-19-06, 03:29 PM SeattleRon you guys ever get drunk sometimes and really think about it hard like I do? Just going out and getting a bag, or like pulling a job? I know it's weird cause I'm legit now, but sometimes when I get really drunk I think about going out and just doing a burglary or robbing someone. Kind of like revisiting the good ol' days. I know I won't do it, but I think about it. 08-19-06, 04:25 PM Wildflower63 I don't do meth. I don't smoke crack. I have never tried these drugs. I am only trying to explain how women think and how tempting it is for us to use these drugs.
Women always hate fat. Our weight often dictates our self esteem. We do see speed freaks at work and can't keep up. We look bad physically and at work.
I do not think any meth addict knew what they were really getting into. They wanted to lose weight. They wanted to crank it out at work. That's all. We see skinny women who work circles around us on speed drugs. We want the benefits they have. We don't understand why we should have to be fat and slow when a drug can fix this problem for us.
I don't mean to anger anyone. I am telling you the mind of a woman who is not a user, but tempted seeing the benefits. We need to know why we shouldn't go there. We don't use these drugs and need a reason not to.
I want someone to tell us something beyond buy a treadmill when a drug makes us so perfect, from looking on the outside. I have a treadmill and hate that miserable contraption. Being an inmate on a chain gang sounds more entertaining than being a rodent on a wheel bored stupid. What is the price of thin and working circles around everyone using meth to do it, not a miserable treadmill?
Understand why many addicts go there. This is what they are thinking, just what I said. People are so uninformed about drug use and addiction. We really don't know. We need to ask users and addicts why we shouldn't do this. It really does look that good because we aren't doing these drugs.
Stop the addiction cycle and answer my question! Do not tell me to buy a treadmill when this drug appears to give me everything I want. What is it like to use these drugs? Give me a good reason why we shouldn't.
Answer me! I am speaking for a lot of women who get into an addiction ignorantly because they only see the benefits, as I do. 08-19-06, 06:40 PM Sarai Here you go, Wildflower:
quote: Originally posted by DvdGStwrt: I have three kids who are thin, pretty and are speed freaks, let me tell you about their lives today.
Niece one is a slut, a meth whore who calls me early in the morning (3, 4 am) to cry about how much everybody hates her because Grandma and Grandpa kicked her out because her way of life got them a 60 Day eviction Notice. She is at thin as a rail and keeps her legs open for every boy that comes along with a baggy. I have had to hold her hand at the Public Health Department several times getting her tested for HIV and other STD’s because, by golly, many of the tricks she turns insists on not wearing a rubber and getting that baggie is more important to her (at the time) than being safe.
Niece Two is almost no better, but she is more conniving and has managed to use and abuse everybody in her life, yet being smart enough to make new friends to keep her housed. Just as miserable, just as unhappy and still unable to stop blaming everybody but herself. Still calls me to complain and cry and beg for a place to stay. What can I do? She doesn’t want to abide by my clean and sober household rules, does not want to attend meetings with me. Do I risk my home and happiness for her? Or do I just say no and try not to cry when on the phone with her?
The Nephew picked living under a bridge instead of getting clean and sober by going to rehab. We offered an alternative to Rehab, but by the time the offer was made he had messed up big time, went over to his mom’s tweaking and when she asked him to leave until he was clean, he pulled a knife and threatened to slit her throat. The police were called and he is now doing some time – it appears that he also got a violation so may be in prison for 3 years.
This is the high life, this is what happens to the majority. This is where it goes.
and this from SeattleRon
quote: I hope this gets to you, what I'm about to say Wildflower is purely out of love. If you went out and tried to score You would get robbed so fast. You would end up with some fake worthless soap chunks, epsom salts or other crap that if you smoked it, you would get sick and go to the ER. When I was a dealer I saw suckers like you coming a mile away. You either got short changed or robbed for all your stack. Either that or I'd let you come back a few times till you got hooked and I'd take you for everything you had because if you didn't give it to me I'd take it from you. If I had to take it from you then you'd be face first on the concrete not knowing what hit you. Because I was a sick pup and I didn't care. You were just another dollar to me.
Wildflower, the streets is a motha, and the streets is the only place to get connected. I tell you this because I care enough to tell you straight up. You'll either get robbed, ripped off, raped, or killed out there looking around for that junk. People don't play around out there. Thats money you're playing with.
this from aminator
quote: I am going to a wake tonight for a 28 year old guy who abused prescription drugs to his death bed.
this from dogspit
quote: the paranoia still is around for me. I still sometimes hear voices, especially when insomnia stikes. The massive holes in the sides of my teeth and the discomfort eating suck, but, do not begin to compare with the total inability to function normally in society. I suspect everyone around me of somehow being a "hazard" to me. I do not think that will ever change.
and of course, this from Shelster:
quote: Um...did you read the last page?
Ok...go back and reread it.
If rotten morality, a broken reputation,a higher likelihood of being taken advantage of, mental illness, an inability to act and think like an adult, homelessness, disease and death aren't good enough reasons not to do a drug, I don't know what is. And don't tell me that you're speaking for all women. Smart women know that our self-respect and health and happiness are far more important than our weight. And smart women know that there are healthy ways to lose weight. You are a smart woman, so you should know that, too. 08-20-06, 01:44 AM SeattleRon Word.... 08-20-06, 02:48 AM Toni B This is both horrifying and extremely interesting. Here in Cape Town we have a huge and growing problem with crystal meth, known here as tik, because it is so cheap and we have a huge population of very poor people. In the past alchohol was the biggest problem and we still see a lot of fetal alchohol syndrome children, even some in "fancy" schools. Coke seems to be the wealthy person's drug of choice, and weed is widely used, although illegal.
Although from the hippie era, I don't do weed, cigs and alchohol are my choices, but I have been around weed users enough to probably have had the effects 2nd hand!
David, your letter should be up in every classroom.
I fear for my sons. I have always brought them up not to hide whatever they do from me, so I know the middle boy tweaks all kinds of things. Please heaven it never goes beyond curiosity. I hope his own need to be in control saves him.
Wildflower, you are so right about weight loss. My immediate thought was " wow, maybe just a little?" Luckily the next thoughts were "not worth the risk" and "no spare money". When I was at boarding school, many moons ago, one of the older girls lost a lot of weight and the rumour was that she had bought a tape-worm in a capsule. I had no idea how to get one, but would have leapt at the chance if it came my way. (It was probably rubbish, but I was ready to believe it.) Equally, todays kids would take a chance on meth, and almost certainly know someone who could help them get it. 08-22-06, 07:47 PM soaringhorse Okay, first question...there's two types of meth, right? Methadone, and the crystal meth, correct?
Speaking of having to go to a funeral, I had to go to my boyfriend's nephews' funeral. Overdose of methadone, what a horribe thing to happen to a 21 year old. Such a waste, just had a young baby girl, not even a year old, left his wife, and all his family for that drug. I just don't understand it.
I just want to comment, that no drug is worth losing your life on, and I really don't care if I gain weight or not, at least I'm alive. As long as I'm happy with myself, then why mess with it, right? It's that simple. 08-23-06, 01:52 AM SeattleRon Sarai, In no way am I showing you any disrespect. Or In anyway glorifying any drug use whatsoever. I've been through what I been through and believe me it sucks. Marijuana, cocaine, and stuff else. I did Meth for a limited amount of time. Not as much as you you guys did. My stuff was mainly cocaine, weed, and X..... what I said there was real, Things got funelled in by people, and I had no problem dealing it. Especially cocaine.... What I learned throughout my career is I had only 2 friends........and they had me......and thats all and the most I will ever talk about.... I'll tell you this cause I got it legit, I got another 3 bedroom house....my cars are cheap as hell though, i drive a pair of hyundais', and that kinda sucks...........
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the cars are in the background 08-23-06, 08:49 AM MrsS
quote: Originally posted by soaringhorse: Okay, first question...there's two types of meth, right? Methadone, and the crystal meth, correct?
No, Methadone is the patent name for a synthetic opiate that is often used as a substitute for heroin and administered in clinics to addicts in an effort to break some of the patterns of the heroin addiction and stave off the withdrawl symptoms. I have NEVER heard anyone call it "meth" and it has no pharmacological relationship to Methamphetamine, the drug that is the subject of the original post. 08-24-06, 01:46 AM Wildflower63 No, I am talking about meth-amphetamine, not methadone. It has been legal for many years in the US, until addiction became a problem.
Meth-amphetamine is an old drug. Hitler's troops quickly marched, well before anyone reasonably expected arrival. Hitler's scientist also created a synthetic opiate, methadone because of low supply. It really is that old.
Heard of Bennies? It was an over the counter inhalant drug intended to clear sinuses. Try throwing this in your morning coffee, as a lot of people did. You are super human.
Today it is called crystal meth, the first thing that I can think of commonly used that everyone understands.. This is why I have to show my drivers license to buy Actifed for my sinus problems, You can find the recipe on the net for meth-amphetamine or crack.
I strongly feel that Americans are poorly informed about drugs and addiction issues. We only hear, "Don't do drugs." That isn't exactly compelling and I think Americans need to know something better than cooking an egg to explain the reality of drug use.
The entire point I tried to make is the fact that anyone saying, "Don't do it." is poorly educating the US people. "Don't do it." also describes that we shouldn't buy McDonald's or be fat and know you are in for cardiac bypass surgery later in life and even diabetes because of a poor diet. Americans are bombarded with everything 'not good for us'. We quit listening.
American people need to know the reality of drug addiction, but no one bothers to teach us that drug withdrawal hell isn't the same as your addicting caffeine or cigarette. That's what non-users really think addiction means, 'I want', not 'I need before I go into such a horrible drug withdrawal that death appears humane.'
I don't buy it that meth is going to make a complete slut out of me. I'm a bit too old for that one. I don't buy the 'rotten morality' thing either. Does speed have the power to destroy your ethics or the power to make you better than human, in performance?
I am asking for a valid reason not to use this drug to lose 40lbs and be able to word circled around everyone. As I have been told, this drug causes weight loss and busy, burning calories, cleaning your house top to bottom, without a desire to eat and sane while on it.
It sounds good, doesn't it? 08-24-06, 07:36 AM MrsS
quote: I am asking for a valid reason not to use this drug to lose 40lbs and be able to word circled around everyone. As I have been told, this drug causes weight loss and busy, burning calories, cleaning your house top to bottom, without a desire to eat and sane while on it.
Well, where to start... it is highly addictive, it takes no time at all to be using it just to avoid coming down because coming down SUCKS, it's the worst hangover there is (and I've had a lot of hangovers). It causes high blood pressure and palpitations, paranoia, nervousness, long term damage to the kidneys and liver, insomnia (and the attendant problems inherent in long term sleep deprivation) irritability, SERIOUS dental problems, it compromises the immune system and impairs judgement. And that's for the so-called "Casual user". 08-24-06, 01:17 PM jusork
quote: Originally posted by Wildflower63: this drug causes weight loss and busy, burning calories, cleaning your house top to bottom, without a desire to eat and sane while on it.
Plus, loosing weight while not eating isn't good for you I think. 08-25-06, 01:07 AM gizmogram Hmmm...I've been overweight almost my entire life, and I don't recall EVER having the thought, "Gee, maybe meth would help me lose weight"
I believe that most people that use meth are those that try it at a party once or twice and get hooked. It is one of the most addictive substances around, and unfortunately, one of the most obtainable Frown
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I am asking for a valid reason not to use this drug to lose 40lbs and be able to word circled around everyone.
WF - I seriously think you are mixing up ephedrine (or fenedrine?) and meth. People were using ephredrine legally until a few years ago. This is not the same thing as methamphetamine which is much more addictive and destructive. Ephedrine was taken off the market because it was also addictive and unhealthy.
If you care more about your image than your health then using meth to lose weight is still not a good idea. You will get a gaunt appearance rather than the thin healthy look you want. ************************************************************* 08-25-06, 07:19 PM Wildflower63 No, I don't think that I'm mistaken. I was watching a show on The History Channel (love that channel!) about addictive drug use and the history of it. Many very addicting drugs were legal and seen as our Constitutional Right to put anything of our choice into our bodies. It was thought that any drug that helped you in some way, like speed making you more productive, opiate drugs that helped with aches and pains, or drugs that would just make you feel good were beneficial to society.
This went on for years with pretty hard core drugs that would scare most of us to death even trying. One by one, different drugs were taken off the market because of serious addiction problems. The last drug taken off the market was meth-amphetamine in the 60s. It was supposed to be used as a nasal inhalant to clear sinuses, but people dropped them in their morning coffee.
Isn't today's crystal meth the same drug, meth-amphetamine? It's speed. It gives you energy to burn calories and you don't feel like eating. You can understand why decent working people liked this drug. It helped women lose weight and get their housework done. It helped men crank it out at work.
I still say the average person has no true understanding of what addiction really is. I am a nurse and had no idea. I really think the TV ads using a skillet and eggs isn't teaching the real danger of drugs, addiction.
If our tax dollars are going to keep paying for an unsuccessful Drug War, think about why it has failed. People need to understand drug addiction and exactly how ugly it is detoxing off of them. We don't ever hear that with the DARE program in our public schools. We only hear 'Drugs are bad.' Well, they sure do make you feel fantastic! How bad can they be?
If our government is going to spend so much money caging a drug dealer, paying for expensive prime time TV ads, for something obviously unsuccessful, isn't it time to change tactics?
Since our government is being irresponsible not giving known information about drug use and addiction, shouldn't members share and not be ashamed of the truth that we didn't know?
If any member uses benzos (Xanax, Klonipin, Atavan), I will tell you exactly what horror you will face if you don't take that next pill. You will wish yourself dead before this type of suffering. I will happily share what happened to me when I decided I wanted off of this script and when enough people hear it, they will have a healthy fear of using this type of drug.
I'm one of the lucky. Mine is a script that I can taper over a very long time, which I don't like at all. I will be ok. What if you were going through a very stressful time in your life, like a divorce situation. You know someone that handed you a Xanax to make you calm down and it worked. You felt better and much more functional, but your doctor will not script this to you, but your friend has the same drug.
You are going to be angry with your doctor. You are stressed to the brink. You ask your friend for a few more, just to get you though this in one piece. You don't even know when the line of addiction has been crossed. You are going to go into withdrawal and it just gets worse. Now you know! Something happened when you didn't take that pill. You are afraid to take the drug, but more afraid not to.
That's addiction. It sucks! The American people deserve to know the truth of addiction if we are going to the state pen over it, but the same government that will cage us does not teach us the truth. We need to share knowledge and be able to teach our kids a good reason why drugs aren't a good idea.
We shouldn't be ashamed of how hard it is getting off of any drug and how many challenges we will face trying to stay off it. A drug screwed us up! We are not self indulgent, lazy, uncaring people, as people honestly think.
08-25-06, 09:53 PM MrsS No! Today's Crystal meth is NOT the same drug. What you're thinking of was manufactured in proper laboratories with pharmacutical grade chemical componants and standards for purity and potency. And it was addictive as hell. What is rampant on our streets today is made in home "labs" by amatuer "cooks"using a hodgepodge of ingredients that range from over the counter sinus remedies to lye (drain cleaner), phosphorus and acetone, with no standard for potency, and thus no way of determining anything close to a standard dose... This crap is poison! And it's addictive as hell. Rail away about the poor methodology of the so[called War on Drugs... I agree, it's a miserable, costly failure and has accomplished nothing except driving up the profit margin in certain markets (Most notably, marijuana) and fill our courts, jails and prisons with people who need treatment not punishment but please stop, even as the Devil's Advocate I so fervently hope you're being, defending crank use. THERE IS NO UPSIDE.... I've got a lot of years behind me since my last line and there are still a number of household cleaners I cannot bear to be near because the smell just like that poison I once put into my poor, precious body.
08-26-06, 03:57 AM Wildflower63 It's like baking a cake. The recipe for crystal meth or crack is on the net for anyone to cook up.
08-26-06, 07:46 AM aminator2002
quote: I still say the average person has no true understanding of what addiction really is. I am a nurse and had no idea. I really think the TV ads using a skillet and eggs isn't teaching the real danger of drugs, addiction.
If our tax dollars are going to keep paying for an unsuccessful Drug War, think about why it has failed. People need to understand drug addiction and exactly how ugly it is detoxing off of them. We don't ever hear that with the DARE program in our public schools. We only hear 'Drugs are bad.' Well, they sure do make you feel fantastic! How bad can they be?
The war on drugs may be ill founded but I certainly don't see how anyone can claim that there isn't information being distributed about the horrors of addiction. Your fried egg reference is circa 1980... 26 years ago. There have been many programs since then and the information is out there everywhere. Saying the DARE program just says "Drugs are bad" is ridiculous.
Being addicted is horrible. I don't ever want to understand it more than I do from struggling with cigarettes. I pay attention and so do most people and the information is all available and pretty much in everyone's face. That you are a nurse and addicted to prescription drugs and claim that you didn't know seems odd to me. The information about prescription drug addicts is all over... and the horrors of addiction are in movies, on the news, in public service announcements and in programs such as DARE. Most of the information is about avoiding addiction because it's a given that most people don't want to get addicted. That your doctor prescribed an addictive drug is ridiculous to me unless your life was in danger. I'd certainly change doctors. Especially if he didn't tell you about addiction.
Maybe we can do more, but saying there is no information on addiction just isn't right. It's all over the place. Nobody can really "understand" it until they go through it themselves or watch someone close to them go through it... I don't think most people want to ever understand it fully by those means.
08-27-06, 08:22 PM Wildflower63 If you don't understand addiction beyond a cigarette, what is the point in The Drug War, that teaches us nothing, but cost us a lot of tax cash that comes right out of our paycheck?
Given the fact that a murderer has no assets taken and spends, on average, two years more in the pen, don't you see something wrong with this?
We pay for it! American people should know the truth about drug addiction. It isn't the same as addicted to food or your cigarette, but we think it is.
I have a problem with a Drug War, which I pay for, that does not offer any government paid detox or realistic information of addiction. Stop this failed Drug War and put the cash back in my paycheck!
08-27-06, 08:56 PM juanruiz
quote: Stop this failed Drug War and put the cash back in my paycheck!
I'm hard pressed to think of any federal government program that was ever fully eliminated.
08-27-06, 09:17 PM DorianGreyed "American people should know the truth about drug addiction."
Add to that number the parents, spouses, ex-spouses, friends, aunts, uncles, employers, co-workers, and various other relatives of those addicted, and toss in the social workers and heath care workers who treat addicts. Be sure and count the police who often run into addicts daily. I would say that most Americans know enough about addiction to avoid it. Blaming the government for a lack of public awareness or blaming a doctor for an addiction is simply refusing to put the blame where it belongs. I've known hundreds of addicts. The ones that refuse to accept the blame themselves remain addicts.
It's your move, WF. Good luck.
08-27-06, 10:28 PM Wildflower63 That is just insulting, DG! I left my husband with two kids. You think I wasn't stressed out and scared? I was.
I did 'get help', as any responsible person would advise when overloaded by job, kids, and cash. I got a script that is addicting. I can't get off of it, but have made progress down to half dose.
DG, I'm sure you don't know, so look up Klonipin, my script. I want you to tell me what will happen if I choose to stop taking this script drug. You have no idea, do you?
Look it up and tell me about benzo addiction and withdrawal. This drug is sold on the street. I couldn't count how many times people have come into my house and I'm suddenly missing my drug.
DG, you are much more informed than the rest of us. Would you like to tell me what will realistically happen to me if I don't take another dose? You can't because you don't know. No one does.
Since you 'know it all', DG, look it up on Google and tell me what will happen to me if I suddenly run out of Klonipin. You will have to use Google because benzos are common, but the addiction and withdral isn't common knowledge and you really have no idea about it, but I do. What is it like to run out of this addicting drug, DG? Look it up!
It really isn't common knowledge, so quit being so arrogant.
08-27-06, 10:44 PM Sailracer It might be even more informative if when you checked it out you spelled it correctly: "Klonopin"
08-27-06, 10:52 PM DorianGreyed I find it very difficult to believe that a Registered Nurse wouldn't either know or check into a script written by her doctor.
The information below took me less than 10 seconds to find on Wikipedia.
Clonazepam (marketed by Roche under the trade-names Klonopin in the United States and Rivotril in Europe, South America, Canada, and Australia) is a drug which is a benzodiazepine derivative. It is a highly potent anticonvulsant, amnestic and anxiolytic.
Like other benzodiazepines, clonazepam is believed to act by simulating the action of GABA on the central nervous system. Because of strong anxiolytic properties and euphoric side-effects it is said to be among the class of 'highly potent' benzodiazepines. Although benzodiazepines are invaluable in the treatment of anxiety disorders, they have some potential for abuse and may cause dependence or addiction. The sedative effects of clonazepam are relatively weak, compared to its strong anxiolytic and anticonvulsant effects. One quarter of a milligram (0.25mg) of clonazepam is approximately equivalent to five milligrams (5.00mg) of diazepam.
Side effects
Because clonazepam can impair both mental and motor function, those taking it are advised to use caution when operating motor vehicles or machinery, or engaging in hazardous occupations requiring mental alertness. Side effects include:
* Drowsiness * Depression * Impaired motor function o Impaired coordination o Impaired balance o Dizziness * Nervousness * Anterograde amnesia (common with higher doses)
Rare side effects:
* Anger (Most frequently on children and elderly) * Rage
Up to 30% of individuals treated on a long-term basis develop a form of dependence known as "low-dose-dependence". These patients do not develop a tolerance, and do not need increasingly large doses to experience the euphoric side effects of the drug.
Use of alcohol or other CNS depressants while taking clonazepam greatly intensifies the effects (and side effects) of the drug.
Contraindications
Use of clonazepam should be avoided in individuals with the following conditions:
* Myasthenia gravis * Acute intoxication with alcohol, narcotics, or other psychoactive substances * Ataxia * Severe hypoventilation * Acute narrow-angle glaucoma * Severe liver deficiencies (hepatitis and liver cirrhosis decrease elimination by a factor of 2) * Severe sleep apnea * Hypersensitivity or allergy to any drug in the benzodiazepine class
Special Caution Needed
* Children and adolescents (less than 18 years of age) - Treatment usually not indicated, except treatment of epilepsy, and pre-/postoperative treatment; extended clinical data for this age group is currently lacking. * I.V. or I.M. injections in hypotensive individuals or those in shock should be administered carefully and vital signs should be monitored. Like diazepam, careful monitoring for toxicity is required during prolonged I.V. usage due to the drugs long half life and rapid lipid redistribution.
Patients at a High Risk for Abuse and Dependence
At a high risk for misuse, abuse, and dependence are:
* Patients with a history of alcohol or drug abuse or dependence * Emotionally unstable patients * Patients with severe personality disorders, such as Borderline Personality Disorder * Patients with chronic pain or other physical disorders
Patients from the aforementioned group should be monitored very closely during therapy for signs of abuse and development of dependence. Discontinue therapy if any of these signs are noted. Long-term therapy in these patients is not recommended.
Long-term treatment with clonazepam should never be discontinued abruptly. It should be withdrawn gradually over a period of weeks or months. - Wikipedia
08-27-06, 11:01 PM DorianGreyed At the bottom of Wikipedia's article is a link to the FDA prescription insert.
08-27-06, 11:39 PM Wildflower63 DG, you did prove me right. You had to look it up, didn't you?
You made a big mistake assuming nurses are trained to deal with addicts. This is a specialty of nursing, not general knowledge for any RN. Nurses know what drugs are, what side effects to watch for, and that's about it. We were never trained to be knowledgeable about addicts, just health care issues.
If you would like to criticize what nurses don't know, go to nursing school yourself. Work as one. Understand how many different specialties of nursing really do exist. Drug detox is another specialty where nurses are on the job trained.
We are taught about the body and how it works. Nurses are concerned with problems that will cause death like cardiac issues, respiratory disease, neurological disorder. We know all life threatening problems. The list really is long with sub-topics and no room for addicts.
Nurses do what they can to keep people alive, with huge physical problems. Drug addicts are not exactly important, unless you wish the training for specialization. This is what I do for a living. I'm not ever concerned with 'addiction' issues. I'm looking at a serious problem that will kill, not some drug addict.
Do you really think nursing should teach their students all about drug addiction when there are problems that will kill you? If it is your mom, wouldn't you prefer me to be knowledgeable of disease process and screw the drug addiction issue? You would. That's what nurses do. We are not ill trained or stupid. We work under a doctor's order, not our own.
If a nurse has no idea of drug addiction, what makes you think anyone does?
08-27-06, 11:43 PM DorianGreyed What I proved was that it took 10 seconds to find out what you needed to find out about that drug. What I learned long ago is that addicts need to do two things in order to get clean. One is to recognize that they are an addict. The second is to stop blaming everyone else for their addiction. Like I said before, it's your move.
08-28-06, 12:02 AM Wildflower63 I got the same info from the pharmacy. Do you think that the American people are really informed about addiction? We are far from it, even with a doc script that made an addict out of me.
08-28-06, 12:06 AM DorianGreyed There is a reason why all that paper comes with each bottle. The doctor may have put the pills in your hand, but who put them in your mouth?
08-28-06, 07:31 AM aminator2002 "Do you think that the American people are really informed about addiction?"
The whole point of my post is that yes, I believe people are informed about prescription drug addiction. I don't need to be any more informed even though my only true experience is with cigarettes. I avoid anything with addictive properties.
I would never take a prescription and then end up surprised that it is addictive... because I read the information that is enclosed.
Your point that people don't understand addiction is from this side of the fence a desperate attempt to make your problem someone else's fault. Many addictive drugs shouldn't be stopped suddenly. Ever seen the movie "Trainspotting"? I don't think anyone wants to try heroin after seeing that because of the withdrawal problems. They use Methadone in rehab centers to make the process of getting off the crap at least tolerable.
I know about addiction. My point was that nobody can truly understand it from having someone tell them. I have seen alcohol addiction up close and personal but still don't "understand" it. From the outside it seems like completely irrational and self destructive behavior. For most people it is enough to learn that something is addictive in order to avoid it.
08-28-06, 09:06 AM
MrsS Wildflower, is there anything in the chaos of your life that you own as being your own doing? While I know, probably better than you do, that few medical practicioners are well equipped to deal with the special issues that go along with having an addict for a patient, a trained medical professional has no excuse whatsoever for being unaware of the risks and side effects of any medication that they've been prescribed. An RN, who spends much of her time (one hopes) making sure that a patient understands the dosage and danger signs of medications, should especially be aware of the importance of reading and understanding the package inserts and of asking questions of the prescribing physician if anything is unclear. Stop blaming the government, your doctor and society at large for your own failure to keep an eye out for your own best interests.
08-28-06, 08:12 PM Wildflower63
quote: Originally posted by MrsS: Wildflower, is there anything in the chaos of your life that you own as being your own doing?
My son is responsible for destroying my life, which is why I disowned him. Every single big problem in my life goes straight to his behavior. My son destroyed my life and I was stupid for making so many excuses for too many years.
What is it that you feel I am responsible for?
08-28-06, 08:42 PM DorianGreyed WF, I have seen you complain about your ex-husband, your son, your daughter, your son's friends, your daughter's friends, your parents, the doctors at your place of work (whose scripts you have said you had to override), your co-workers, the federal government, and your neighbors, and now it is your doctor who is responsible for your problems. I have to assume that, in the near future, I will be blamed, along with MrsS, Aminator, Sailracer, David, Shellster, Dogspit, SeattleRon, Sarai, Gizmogram, and anyone else who has bothered to simply tell you the truth. Eventually, you will whittle it down to the one who has caused your problems.
...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes
08-28-06, 09:03 PM MrsS Wow... and all these years I thought denial was a river in Egypt....You raised him, therefore whatever he is at this tender age can be traced largely to you and his father, jointly... You made the excuses, failed to set limits and make them stick, so if he's a disloyal, unloving little heathen, that's, at least partly on you and the man you chose to marry, about whom I cannot recall you saying a civil word, but with whom you continued to reside WAY past the expiration date because you weren't willing to do what I've done, what my mother did and what tens of thousands of other women in bad marriages have done... namely, stand up say "Okay, I'm done" and get the hell out. You're a NURSE, you speak medicalese, and you still blame everyone except yourself for having failed to heed the clear statements on the package insert of a drug well known to create dependence in a significant number of patients. Your son stole your drugs.... Why did he know you had a script and where to find it?
I could match you hurdle for hurdle, roadblock for roadblock, so please don't try to say I just don't know how hard it's been.. you accept NO Responsibility for your own life and THAT is why nothing gets better.
08-28-06, 09:53 PM Wildflower63 If it's not a problem, no one even talks about it. You are correct, I do have quite a few complaints about my family and job.
What do you see that is not a valid issue that I may have a problem with? Is my husband a 'nice guy'? Is my son's police drug raid acceptable behavior? Is my job hard?
08-28-06, 10:33 PM WikkdK
quote: Originally posted by Wildflower63: If you don't understand addiction beyond a cigarette, what is the point in The Drug War, that teaches us nothing, but cost us a lot of tax cash that comes right out of our paycheck?
Given the fact that a murderer has no assets taken and spends, on average, two years more in the pen, don't you see something wrong with this?
We pay for it! American people should know the truth about drug addiction. It isn't the same as addicted to food or your cigarette, but we think it is.
I have a problem with a Drug War, which I pay for, that does not offer any government paid detox or realistic information of addiction. Stop this failed Drug War and put the cash back in my paycheck!
hey "betty crocker" I've been reading this thread and all your input and I wanna make you a proposition...\ it seems you need to put your money where your mouth is...
os here is the deal.. i will hook you up with some top of the line biker crank, but you gotta shoot it up or snort it cuz smokin it is for pussies... ] oh but here's the catch.. you are gonna use it EXACTLY in the same manner, quality and amount I did 20 years ago .. but you dont get to say no, and I decide when you get to stop if ever
and no smoking it,, smopking it ois for wussies..
in fact. ... you'll be shooting it... in gas station bathrooms and allnight diners... if you dont get kicked out..
no backing out.. you already decided you want to
08-28-06, 10:40 PM MrsS
quote: Originally posted by WikkdK: but you dont get to say no, and I decide when you get to stop if ever (snipped mercilessly)
no backing out.. you already decided you want to
Strongly put, but that's the nature of addiction in a nutshell.
08-28-06, 10:41 PM jusork Hahaha
Is Wikk's post supposed to be kind of funny or did I just take it that way?
08-28-06, 10:46 PM WikkdK
quote: Originally posted by Wildflower63: If it's not a problem, no one even talks about it. You are correct, I do have quite a few complaints about my family and job.
What do you see that is not a valid issue that I may have a problem with? Is my husband a 'nice guy'? Is my son's police drug raid acceptable behavior? Is my job hard?
oh ... and another thing you are horribly horribly addicted to drama you NEED to STOP taking the actions of other personally and not hold other people accountable the way you feel and any problems in your pointless little life. you are a source of the problem, and as long as you keep on with blaming others, there is no solution.
08-28-06, 10:57 PM MrsS
quote: Originally posted by jusork: Hahaha
Is Wikk's post supposed to be kind of funny or did I just take it that way?
It would be funny... if only that were not a very accurate portrayal of what meth would say if it had a voice. WikkdK must have been on the same road as I once was...I never used needles, but I heard that same rap come out of a little tiny ziploc bag more than once.
08-28-06, 11:07 PM Wildflower63
quote: Originally posted by jusork: Hahaha
Is Wikk's post supposed to be kind of funny or did I just take it that way?
This is an existing member. New members don't use quotes and are never this outspoken. It's another character bash on me! I guess that I really do make people feel better about themselves and their life if it is such grand fun to insult me. I hope you all got your needed ego boost!
I'm not going away anytime soon, so enjoy! Am I supposed to be afraid of ignorance? I'm not!!
08-28-06, 11:26 PM WikkdK
quote: Originally posted by Wildflower63:
quote: Originally posted by jusork: Hahaha
Is Wikk's post supposed to be kind of funny or did I just take it that way?
This is an existing member. New members don't use quotes and are never this outspoken. It's another character bash on me! I guess that I really do make people feel better about themselves and their life if it is such grand fun to insult me. I hope you all got your needed ego boost!
I'm not going away anytime soon, so enjoy! Am I supposed to be afraid of ignorance? I'm not!!
oh WRONG oh! a friend of mine, a very good friend of mine brought you to my attention... no there is no way you should be afraid of ignorance for the naive adore ignorance.
lemme tell you something straight up bettycrocker,ths aint no effin joke, and the piece I portrayed to you is when it is still fun. there are other scenarios like drug induced psychosis, absesses, infections, and the altime favorite, cotton fever.. and lets not forget the lovely people you get to kick it with.... dope dealers and bagwhores, street urchins and the worst... childaddicts, and dont think that only comes with shooting up.. ok cotton fever is exclusive, but all the rest can come from all sorts of different use.
And what about that bad batch of dope "anyone on the net can find the recipe for" ... it WILL kill you! Making it AND taking it!
and if this option of dope is so attractive to you, whats the hold up? are you scared???
08-28-06, 11:41 PM WikkdK Let me enlighten you a little more, miss history channel:
Methamphetamine was invented by Hitler's private physician. It was administerd to him in a mix of vitamins and is a very strong influence in his latter behavior... as meglomaniac and mas murderer.
he administered it to his Nazi regime in order get them to feel stronger, more powerful and work harder
he had it administered to the POWs to get more out of them before they expired... they did not need to be fed, and would work until they drop... they did not struggle after being awake and slaved off for two weeks at a time before they got to take a nice long shower.
would you like to look like an Auschewitz victim? is THAT what you are telling all of us?
or maybe you still think it is glamorous... because really, i think you you deserve to take the tribulations
08-28-06, 11:48 PM WikkdK oh and one last thing...
I know plenty of fat tweekers!! I mean really fat!!!
08-29-06, 03:21 AM Karrow Could everyone please remember that personal insults, being overly aggressive and name calling are against the rules. Roll Eyes
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