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Well ok my new job requires me to lift constantly at least 80 to 100lbs for 10 hours a day. I find myself pretty burned out by the end of my shift.

I decided to start really getting in shape. I was wondering how safe is it to take supplements such as creatine or something else I've heard about called "Andro". Not both of them, but just one of them to give me a boost and help build muscle a little bit quicker.
How safe are these supplements, are there any side effects or illnesses involved with those supplements? What happens if you stop using them?
I really want to know enough information before I get on any kind of new type of supplement so I don't endanger my health.
 
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No one had shown any long-term negative effects of creatine, last I knew, but that's in part because no real long-term studies had been done. Some muscle-building effects have been shown, but it is largely water mass. It also helps with quick bursts of energy, but not necessarily for endurance. Depending on what this lifting is at your job, that may or may not make it useful.

Basically, it will likely help, but don't expect miracles, and there's really nothing to suggest long-term health problems. I chose not to use it, but I am very cautious about this sort of thing.

In the short term, however, you'll have to increase how much water you drink because it is very dehydrating.



Andro, I don't know much about.
 
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Ron, you may find yourself "burnt out" by the end of your shift, but that's like any new job! You'll "grow" into it! I doubt if you need any "boosters" - just plain old excersise!

I had a crazy job of cleaning mortar off of used bricks once. I used a hatchet to bang off the debris. By the end of the day, my wrist had to be covered in bandages from the repetative motion. I kept going - and yanno what? - Things just got better as my body got used to it. That's the thing about bodies...they have the incredible ability to adapt.

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Andro is not fun. I took andro and found
it gave me worse heart palpitations and a
more "uneasy" feeling than anything I had
ever taken (that includes the meth I was
addicted to for so long). I would recommend
avoiding that stuff.
 
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I would be very hesitant with supplements. Vitamins are one thing, but supplements for energy and muscle are very iffy. You can’t really be sure what you are getting and often they are not regulated by the FDA. As Tree said, any new job requires some adjustment and you will probably be tired for a while. Just make sure you are getting enough sleep and have a balanced diet so that your body is healthy, and the muscle will build naturally from doing the job. After all, they wouldn’t have hired you if they didn’t think you could do it.

But if you are really interested in a supplement, I would recommend calling your doctor. Your doctor can help determine any side effects that you might encounter, can help you weigh the risks, can let you know of any substances you should stay away from or any interactions with other medicine you might be taking, or with drugs or alcohol.
If your doctor is not available, ask the drug store pharmacist the same questions. S/he will be able to help you find the answers, as well.
 
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protein supplements (whey) and high protein foods are important. creatine will help but it will also tend to make you gain weight.
 
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I just had to add this:

Lifting properly will alleviate some of the burn out you are feeling.

1. Assess your work load.
2. Bend with your knees and keep your back straight. Lift straight up with your legs and NOT your back. Get as close to the object you are lifting.
3. Keep the item as close to your body as you can when moving it.
3. Use your legs to do the lifting. NEVER your back.

Proper lifting will make a HUGE difference in how you feel at the end of the day. Your shoulders will be less sore and there will be less strain on your back. You could always purchase a back brace to use ONLY when lifting. That may help too. lumbar brace

Be sure to stretch before work and drink plenty of water. At the end of the day be sure to take one of those bubble baths with the cigars you like so much! Smile
 
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Forget Creatine and Andro - that's for serious weight lifters who are seeking to gain more muscle mass and will continue seeking more gains.

Yes Sports figures use these, they also follow a pretty strict weight lifting regiment designed to increase muscle mass and to increase endurance. However for them it is a "work out" for you its a job - meaning that sooner or later you will plateau - meaning reach your peak efficiency with no more additions to your "workout" to cause the muscles to seek to grow stronger/more massive. Also, they only work out for a couple hours, you are seeking to go marathon, 10 hours a day. Far cry from what a work out is.

What you may desire to do is address snacking during the day along with lots of water. AND.... Well I will cover all the points:

In a few weeks your muscles will adjust to the heavy work load, what may lag here is your energy level - The body gets all of its energy from sugars. A snickers may sound great and it will give you a burst of energy, however it is not well suited for long term energy.

Carbs are important and in a job like this you should eat more carbs. Carbs are converted into sugars which are released onto the blood stream slowly and evenly. Sugar is energy, thus if you need more energy for the long haul carbs are more important than a snickers which will give you a sudden short boost but leave you lagging in the end.

You may want to use protein shakes during the first month of this hard labor - this will feed your muscles needs and give them the stuff they need to adapt rapidly (meaning gain more muscle mass) I would not take it more than a month in this case, the mass you are lifting is pretty constant and you will plateau in a month's time.

However for every rule of thumb in weight lifting there is an acception, it is possible that your muscles will continue to grow for up to 6 months - you can pretty much tell if a month from now you are still making gains, if so, continue using the protien shakes until you have ceased getting harder and more mass.

Now the scales will be liars, you may initially lose mass (fatty tissue) before you start gaining.

Unless you intent to start a work out program too (Which I doubt given the hours and hard labor here) Creatine, Andro and other "weight lifter's" supplements mayn't be a wise choice. Also they are pretty expensive.

On protein shakes: Whey (which comes from animal products) is absorbed and used more efficiently than Soy (which comes from vegetable products).

I would recommend taking a daily vitamin/mineral supplement and up your vitamin C intake during this first month. 1 gram (1,000 mg) of Vitamin C during this first month taken in the after noon - assuming you have taken your multi vitamin in the morning. Why? Because starting this job is going to be very stressful for the body which will lower its immunity to the common cold and other things. Vitamin C will help you stay healthy.

Liquids: You may be tempted to drink a lot of stuff, stick to the cool clean water, 6- 8 glasses a day - Slack your thirst on water - All of that lifting will cause you to perspire. Things like Soda, Juices and even Gatorade have added stuff to them which will cause to to dehydrate faster than water. Your muscles are going to need as much water as possible in order to gain mass and strength.

BEFORE you start working, Stretch - Seriously, warm up before you start the job, stretch and after you finish moving all that material don't just sit down, cool off slowly and continue slow movement of the muscles you have used - this will prevent them from stiffening and getting as sore. http://k2.kirtland.cc.mi.us/~balbachl/stretch.htm or search the subject for demonstrations. Stretching will be key to your ability to do this job and will reduce the chances for injury.

Muscles get sore due to the small fact that the act of exercising them causes them to shred and release acids. If a person immediately sits down instead of continue to keep the blood flowing, the acids and dead tissues will not be carried away - causing pain and stiffness. This is another reason why I say drink lots of water - This will help your body flush out those toxins, dead tissues, acids, etc.

Breathe: Take a deep breath before you lift, let the air out as you lift - This will give your body oxygen, between lifts take a deep breath or two - Oxygen will be consumed by the body rapidly under this kind of labor. Taking deep breathes will not only help you maintain your energy level but will go a long way toward removing those toxins your muscles are releasing.

And Lastly, lift with your legs, not with your back. And keep those abs tight when lifting. Most back injuries come because a person does not tighten and hold their abs, the abs are part of the support structure of your back and torso. Letting them be slack means you will put more stress on the back muscles.

I think that just about covers it.

Cheers

David
 
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I think that just about covers it.
You think? Gee wizz!
 
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Gee, I'm sorry Elex:

The problem with posting (for me) is I do not know what information a person already possesses and what information they may need in order to understand the need for a thing.

It is frustrating for me because I desire to cover all bases. WHEN I DO make a short and sweet post a lot of interpretation is had by all and I find that I have to spend more time answering each and every additional question that arises from my initial short post.

Sometimes (actually a lot of the time) I start typing away and just hit cancel figuring there is too much ground to cover.

David
 
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That really helped a lot. Thanks to everyone for their replies. I"m just not used to hard work. For like 3 years I did hotel work and thats so easy.
NOw I work for a Salmon processing place. You might have heard of it. The place is called Kasilof Fishing Company. They got a website.
Pretty much I"m all over the place there. Gutting and butchering fish, shipping and recieving, forklift all that good stuff.

Thanks for all the advice. I decided against the supplements and am gonna stick with my diet of coffee, sandwiches and cigarettes.
 
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Originally posted by SeattleRon:
I decided against the supplements and am gonna stick with my diet of coffee, sandwiches and cigarettes.


Well coffee is the most important meal of the day. LOL
 
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