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'The Dutch 'g' is difficult for English speakers to reproduce -- try forming a 'g' with the lips as you would in English, then bringing the tip of the tongue to the back of the front teeth before voicing the sound.' www.nga.gov Be careful you don't strangle yourself. Aren't all of these "place the tongue in a U-shape against the..." pronunciation instructions the most useless things? Actually, many people from England can't get the Dutch 'gh' sound, either. It's easier for most Scots and Welsh.
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We (Britons) pronounce the -gh pretty much as we would the -ch in 'loch' (which we don't, by the way, usually pronounce as 'lock' though some might  'Loch' has a softer sound) but towards 'cough' if that isn't too odd.It was the pronunciation of '-ogh' as 'o' that puzzled most.It is so far away from what the word looks like. How do Americans arrive at the '-gh' being silent? By thinking of 'dough' and treating '-ogh' as the same as '-ough' ? En ough said ! It's odd that this practice has arisen. Do American art teachers pronounce the name as 'go' too? Now tell me that over there the poet Cowper is pronounced 'Cow-per' and the poet Donne pronounced 'Don' and the picture will be complete. If so we really do speak a different language. (We'll ignore Derby  ) PS An Irish 'loch' is a 'lough' of course!
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| Posts: 7538 | Location: Newmarket, UK/ Antibes, S.France | Registered: 07-14-02 |    |
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Now that we've more or less settled the pronunciation bit, I should point out that the "van" should not be capitalized, and the listing in alphabetical order in a Dutch or Belgian 'phone book would have van Riemsdijk, under R.: Riemsdijk, Willem, R., van. The "ij" is sometimes a "y". Listed under the "van" prefix one could never hope to find anything in an alphabetical list. Half the population would be lumped together.  One additional bit. Using the example of the "ch" in Loch Lomond, etc., now imagine van Gogh with the "ch" on both front and back : van choch. . By George, I think you've got it!
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| Posts: 6548 | Location: Baltimore, MD, U.S.A | Registered: 06-03-02 |    |
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"van Choch"  Now try to say it without spitting.
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quote: Originally posted by newnickname: "van Choch"  Now try to say it without spitting.
If that's how you want it, it'll take several 'goghs' to get it right
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| Posts: 7538 | Location: Newmarket, UK/ Antibes, S.France | Registered: 07-14-02 |    |
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