Ever wonder what version you might be reading when you actually view the final story? Here's a small example of what can happen from the start to finish.
Sometimes it's what "they" are not saying rather than what "they" are saying. ************************************************************* 08-15-04, 10:01 PM DvdGStwrt One Word: Propaganda
08-15-04, 10:31 PM Kelleygirl So, David, you really feel that the news isn't sanitized before the final presentation? Maybe this particular site is propaganda but I really feel, and yes maybe I'm being paranoid, that the controls are in place.
08-16-04, 01:17 AM DvdGStwrt Ah, no. What I mean is that Media as dished out to us is Propaganda. We are shown those images that somebody else wants us to see. Not all of the information is given, contrary to popular belief. We are spoon fed the news which in turn causes us to form opinions based upon half truths.
This is a form of manipulation - propaganda.
Don't think for one moment that Nice, compassionate David takes anything at face value. I do not, and never have trusted anyone as far as I can throw them. I do not trust the TV, the Radio, CNN, FOX and even my local newspaper for the full story.
What is being uncovered for you, perhaps for the first time, is old hat - an old story which combined with some other interesting facts about media may be your own personal awakening to a brave new world with such wonders to behold.
Well the fact is that fewer and fewer entities owns the media outlets. With the combining and the mergers and the "take overs" we are getting the same thing on every channel, radio station and rag out there.
Of course the news is purified. If I told you that the police took down a bad situation - it might give you warm feelings and a sense of security, if I bothered you with the facts of snipers, swat and thousand men enacting police state tactics, that sense of security would be compromised.
Truth in Journalism died in the early years of the Cold War.
Did you know that the same day that Saddam's Capture took place new patriot act bills were signed into law? Did the news cover that? No. we were told the story that somebody thought we needed to hear while the other more important story was pushed under the rug: http://www.yesmagazine.com/29globalhope/indicatormcconnell.htm
Take the Smart Case, or the Petersen case, or any other mildly interesting news piece which for the life of me should remain a local news event which has been made into a three ring circus. These stories form public opinion, they cause the people to think of those things the media wants you to think about.
Yet at the same time we are being "shielded" from truths. Truths which the rest of the world is well aware of truths which when you start comparing other nation's news stories to ours makes you wonder what exactly is going on. The rest of the world thinks we americans are pretty stupid, but they think we are getting the same news that they are.
The internet is a wonderful tool, one which has made it possible for anyone to get the news from anywhere and a growing community of Surfers are learning real quick to compare their news. Before the Internet these same tactics of "truth" in Journalism where used, they met with great success in forming public opinion, or swinging elections, etc.
Today these tactics are failing because people like you are waking up to the real truth that things are being sanitized for your protection - in other words, you are only being told those things that they want you to know.
I think you will find that I have a corner market on paranoia.
David
08-16-04, 01:23 AM DvdGStwrt BTW more on the media will be found at my home page.
Cheers
David
08-16-04, 03:18 AM FredPuli The Euro does not seem to be very well known over in the States. We still get tourists here who were surprised to find it exists or that the same coins are usable, without further exchange, in France, Germany, Italy, Greece, Holland, Ireland and so on. (Ours, meanwhile, are probably still wondering why all dollar bills are the same colour Big Grin Now that is unification ) Of course Britain had to be different and keeps the pound sterling, so they are not surprised there (but at least we got rid of the old pounds shillings and pence, in 1971, so we have become a bit more tourist friendly).
It is hardly newsworthy that the European Union is a major economic power or that it uses its economic muscle in dealings with the US. It may be a surprise to anyone who thinks of European countries as separate little powers though. That may be a view encouraged by the European Union not having just one foreign policy in all areas and binding on all members. So we read reports of France opposing this by America or Germany wanting that and so on. The fuss over the Iraq war must have highlighted this. Annoyed Americans probably genuinely did believe that Americans could stop buying French goods and so hurt the French. Well, the trouble with that is it's not 'economic war'against France any more than a foreign economic war aimed against, say, Idaho, would be a war against one state and not a economic war against the US; this would be war against the European Union, against Britain and Greece and every other member. So the European Union, all those countries, would respond in economic terms, as the one body they are.
There is no doubt that the euro has been strong against the dollar. The rate varies a lot over a comparatively short time, too. The story that OPEC will start pricing and trading oil in euros instead of US dollars does come up from time to time. It seems a good enough reason, on its own, for the US to keep especially friendly with the House of Saud Smile
08-16-04, 09:50 PM Kelleygirl Well said, Fred and David --- thanks for inviting me to your site --- it's now on my favorites' list. It's good to know that I won't have to be paranoid all by myself. Wink
08-16-04, 10:15 PM methos
quote:Originally posted by FredPuli: Ours, meanwhile, are probably still wondering why all dollar bills are the same colour Big Grin Now that _is_ unification
Hey... what about our new twenties? They've got peach in them Wink
08-16-04, 11:46 PM AMoore
quote:Originally posted by methos:
quote:Originally posted by FredPuli: Ours, meanwhile, are probably still wondering why all dollar bills are the same colour Big Grin Now that _is_ unification
Hey... what about our new twenties? They've got peach in them Wink
Or look as if someone spilled bleach on them.
I remember in Bulgaria, notes were of different sizes as well as colors. Even the totally blind could easily distinguish different denominations. I also noticed that our coinage here in the US does not mark it's denomination with numerals, a fact which had escaped my notice until my Bulgarian wife (now ex-wife) thought that a nickel was worth more than a dime.
Alan Moore
08-17-04, 09:01 AM Rakuchild Going back to the original news topic- I watch very little televised news and what I do watch is local, usually trying to find out about happenings in my neighborhood. With all that happens here, our news programs would rather tell you which shampoo to use for bouncier hair.
There was a fatal accident a couple weeks ago down the block. All the news shows sent a reporter and a truck. They only ran a blurb about it being an accident caused by a drunk driver despite the number of people offering info on the other part of the problem...poor visability at the intersections. The news didn't report that it took the rescue squad nearly 10 minutes to arrive, despite their location is only two minutes away. (We watched the ambulance pass our street twice going different directions.) No mention was given that the police didn't arrive until 20 minutes later and that they didn't apprehend the drunk driver, men from the neighbor chased him down when he started running. There were plenty of witnesses telling the reporters these things. The news programs had an opportunity to spotlight two major problems in our area that we have been trying to bring to the attention of the city and they failed.
I'm not surprised that the national media does the same. After all, it is more important to have bouncier hair.
08-17-04, 09:19 AM juanruiz I learned a long time ago to read every news story with a grain of salt. In 1969 Strom Thurmond gave a speech outside at the university I was attending. Some guy brought a bag of marshmallows and was throwing them to his friends. When Newsweek ran the story he was throwing them at Thurmond.
08-17-04, 03:07 PM DvdGStwrt
quote:Originally posted by juanruiz: I learned a long time ago to read every news story with a grain of salt. In 1969 Strom Thurmond gave a speech outside at the university I was attending. Some guy brought a bag of marshmallows and was throwing them to his friends. When Newsweek ran the story he was throwing them at Thurmond.
So Thurmond was his friend? LOL ***********************
Yes Bouncier hair is far more important than the fact that streets in what used to be rural areas are over crowded, police are taking their times to report to things and it takes ten minutes for an ambulance to get from a couple of miles away.
Used to be that Newscasters were impartial to the news - supposedly reporting. Not now, our local news channels have news casters who have an opinion and the way they "report" clearly shows their opinion. Its all propaganda.
The Age of Newspeak is here and quality programing for the masses.
David
08-17-04, 03:19 PM juanruiz Strom's dentures couldn't handle them Wink.
One thing I've always considered ironic: the media have screamed bloody murder whenever the least mote of the possibilty of censorship arises. Yet the motto of the New York Times is "All the news that's fit to print." Now who do you suppose decides what's "fit?" And in doing so, is this not censorship?
08-17-04, 07:22 PM FredPuli 'Fit to print' must surely have referred to a code of decency mustn't it ? It was to show the NYT was not some yellow- press scandal sheet. The hackneyed expression, to explain the absence of some story in British newspapers, is 'the detail/the subject is not appropriate for a family newspaper'. As 'family newspapers' cheerfully print a daily picture of a topless or naked woman (known as a 'Page Three Girl' because they first appeared on page three of The Sun) and have graphic kiss and tell stories of the sexual encounters of minor celebrities it is not clear quite what this excludes from family reading Smile
It is surely difficult in this day and age to keep a story of any importance out of the press or TV altogether. An attempt at total suppression can never work because there is always too much money, fame, influence or moral outrage to drive the story out into the open. In the 1930s even, when our press agreed, with the Royal Family, not to report any evidence of a relationship between Wallis Simpson and the Prince of Wales the story was soon all over the French press, with pictures, and spread by word of mouth until the Palace had no choice but to admit it.
That was over seventy years ago when the news, for most, was what was found in newspapers. It could never happen now.
BTW "In Bulgaria notes were of different sizes as well as colors".[A Moore] So they are in the UK and the euro notes are too.The coins are distinguished by grooves, milling of edges and size.Presumably your bills are distinguishable by feeling the surface.
08-18-04, 02:10 PM Jelp01 I've always thought that our local TV news does a good job of reporting the news as fairly and balanced as possible........which is no mean feat in a heavily Republican area of our state.
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