Which Irish Saint,was mentioned to have discovered the new world before Columbus and even before L.Erikson? ++++++++++ 03-17-04, 10:44 PM Kelleygirl St. Brendan
03-17-04, 11:33 PM mozart56 Yes, Kelleygirl,You got it ,and apparently the "Harp" and not the "Shamrock" is the symbol of Ireland.
03-18-04, 05:04 AM FredPuli Dunno about that Mozart. The story is that St Patrick ( the well-known Welsh, or Scots, Roman citizen) used the shamrock to represent the Trinity . When he arrived in 433 AD he plucked one to illustrate three elements from but a single stalk. The plant was formerly called 'herba Trinitatis'.So it is a symbol for Ireland by association with the holy man.
The harp is, of course, really the symbol of Guinness (how Irish is that; it was invented and brewed first by Mr Porter in London; which is why we call it porter).It is, after all, customary to wear the logo of your sponsor (and Guinness sponsored the Irish economy for a long time Big Grin ) Mindful of their indebtedness the Irish government chose to put it on the coinage and declare it the national symbol.
The harp has been seen as a symbol for the Irish since the twelfth century; that's, like, yesterday.
BTW Saint Patrick was made a saint because he was the first man in history to emigrate to Ireland. Everybody else emigrates from Ireland. Big Grin
03-18-04, 11:07 AM mozart56 Thanks for clarifying Fred.Looks like Patrick was a strong man or just lost it's way. Big Grin
03-19-04, 12:21 AM cavmantwo Eek GASP! Do you mean then, that during the Civil War, the Irish Brigade's flag was actually an ad for Guinness?!? I find that altogether fitting and proper. Smile ********************** From Wikipedia -
The harp has been recognised as a symbol of Ireland since the 13th century, and first appeared on Anglo-Irish coinage of 1536 during the reign of Henry VIII. It is sometimes referred to as the harp of Brian Boru, High King of Ireland. It has appeared in the third quarter of the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom since the union of the crowns of Ireland and England to that of Scotland by James VI of Scotland in March 1603.
The harp was selected as the state emblem on the establishment of the Irish Free State, and one of its earliest treatments was on the Great Seal of the Irish Free State. It continued to be a state emblem after the Constitution of Ireland was adopted. The image of the harp is used on coins, passports, and official documents of the state; it is also the official seals of the President, Taoiseach, Tánaiste, Ministers of the Government and other officials.
The harp on the 1928 coinage was based on the Galway and Trinity College harps, whilst a much modified version was introduced on 1939 coinage, and the present Irish euro coins are largely based on this.
The harp appears on the coat of arms of Ireland, which were officially registered as the arms of the state on 9 November 1945. - DG
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