If your Government asked correction TOLD you to carry an official ID card with lots of personal information about you and you could be Penalised for not carrying one and you Have to pay for them regardless to pay something toward the cost of setting up this scheme at a cost of a few um..Billion Dollars/Pounds/Euros NOTE: The numbers are correct and its climbing all the time!
I always have ID and it satisfies everybody bankcard, letter with my address... Why should I want a card that carries far too much info on it and were I to lose it, or it fell into the wrong hands (get penalised in my pocket to buy a new one plus costs for cancelling the old one ) They will find all sort of very dangerous items (like peeking at the Admin controls on this site) and they may be able to make a clone card Simple if you can use a card reader
This is an article on CNET (News.com) site...The Uk are trying to push foist their version starting with Passport /immigration controls Rolling out I think early 2008? and Fully in operation about the same time as the US There are many many basic Issues beside such as how if you are living on or below the breadline can you afford this? It won't generate money or food unless you sold it or used it as a pledge! I hope this scheme will backfire in their face It won't achieve anything
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I don't see any problem with it. It depends though on what personal information is on it. In Israel there is an ID card that you are required to carry on you at all times. It contains your full name, home address, mother name, fathers name, birth date, country of birth, sex, and religion. Also if you are married it lists your husbands name and ID number, plus the names and birthdays of all children you have. Everyone carries it around with them all the time.
A couple of years ago, two friends of mine went somewhere without their ID card, we stopped by police, and both of them spent the night in jail. Of all the people I know here, no one complains about the personal information stored on the card. It's part of life, you have to carry it around with you, get used to it. It's not like your drivers license doesn't have most of this information anyways.....
There do seem to be some particular problems with the Israeli ID cards;
'On every identification card issued [in Israel] before April 2002 there is a space for recording the card owner's nationality. The term 'nationality' here refers to one's nation as opposed to one's political citizenship. In Hebrew, this is expressed by two different words: ezrahut - citizenship; leom - nationality.
In most countries, nationality is synonymous with citizenship - a person who was born in a country is its citizen and also belongs to its nation. For the majority of Israeli citizens, however, the question of nationality is more complicated. When asked to define a Jewish citizen by the two very different terms nationality and religion, one comes up with the same answer: Jewish. In other words, a Jewish citizen also belongs to the Jewish nation, therefore his or her nationality is Jewish and citizenship is Israeli. The Ministry of the Interior is responsible for assigning nationality to Israeli citizens. Currently, the possibilities include Jewish, Arab or Druze. Individuals who do not fall into these three nationalities are registered by their country of origin or, alternatively, until recently the space on the identity card was left blank.
This poses several issues and dilemmas...'www.jrf.org
I did think why is it a problem, if you have nothing to hide etc you have nothing to fear, good law abiding citizen etc. But recently have had experience of administrators not updating electronic info properly which kick started a chain reaction resulting in untold problems to sort out. So that now that has sowed some seeds of doubt. Theory is still fine with me but how do we resolve human error not cocking the whole thing up and as a result screwing up somebodies life? Answers on a postcard please
Originally posted by DorianGreyed: Mike, if you just repost what you wanted to post, I'll delete the above 3 posts. I can't understand what you said in your e-mail.
This is the final version that should have been posted after editing DG You can delete the other posts Now Thank you Was hitting the "Quote" icon instead of the Edit icon .Only realised too late! My Windows are not "full screen" so the scroll bars are showing
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For our American friends ,the Uk version will include an Iris scan ,driving licence details ,possible photo for Immigration passport National Insurance Number (social security number) and that is what they have told us in Public (Phase 1?)
Whats the betting that a copy will be circulatin soon? They Keep saying the latest banknotes are almost unforgeable (sp?) yet within a few weeks of issue forgeries were in circulation and even the experts say they are good I have a UV light which shows up the Hidden security mark Question Is the same with US banknotes re.U/V marks?
Learnt something too Did you know that a Fake Credit/Debit card Does not have a U/V security mark Similar design to the 3d sticker? (Is on the Front face)
PS They are listed on Amazon @ $7.89 in the Toy section! May be the best toy you've ever brought?
I think this light can be purchased even cheaper? The Price quoted above was off a quick search
Posts: 12817 | Location: 6 miles west of Wigan UK | Registered: 06-05-02
The i.d card is to provide protection against fraud, inter alia. Slight snag: in order to get one in the first place we'll need to prove who we are. To that end, we criminals will need to produce what false documents, exactly? Probably the ones we are already using to prove our fake or assumed identity, the one we are now using, and have been using successfully for years!
Originally posted by FredPuli: The i.d card is to provide protection against fraud, inter alia. Slight snag: in order to get one in the first place we'll need to prove who we are. To that end, we criminals will need to produce what false documents, exactly? Probably the ones we are already using to prove our fake or assumed identity, the one we are now using, and have been using successfully for years!
They don't realise they are going around in a circle Fred Albeit a very costly one
Posts: 12817 | Location: 6 miles west of Wigan UK | Registered: 06-05-02
It contains your full name, home address, mother name, fathers name, birth date, country of birth, sex, and religion. Also if you are married it lists your husbands name and ID number, plus the names and birthdays of all children you have. Everyone carries it around with them all the time.
That's way too much info for an ID card.
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