Is there something about the hurricane's occurrence and/or its handling, which you have been hoping someone would allow you to vent for the healing of your nerves, disillusionment, anger, fear, etc.?

Now didn’t I say In my 2004 predictions:

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6. The hurricane season of 2003-04 will be drastic - New Orland will be threatened, possibly hit and flooded. Another Hurricane will cause high winds in NY NY blasting windows out of buildings- It will be the worst one to have hit NY on record. I’m still holding on this one, unless the current trend of mid Atlantic Ocean surface cooling continues. In that case fewer hurricanes will be created.

Granted I said that for the 2003-04 season – I was off by a couple of years - But the key element is that I knew and understood the dangerous threat that a hurricane poised for New Orleans. (Yes I misspelled the name)

Now that wasn’t a crystal ball prediction, it was a prediction based on the current climate and weather trends for the increasing hurricane activity in the Atlantic and Gulf. Understanding that New Orleans is/was below sea level, understanding that she had a weak levee system that was designed for a Cat 3 hurricane, “flooded” is an understatement.

And I still foresee a hurricane hitting New York City, and the damage will be tremendous if we do not see the threat as real and start making some changes in New York City to withstand a hurricane. Again I know the real threat of a hurricane to New York City; I also understand that New York is not built to withstand a hurricane since they rarely reach that far north. Further New York City sits on a fault line (or two) and none of those buildings are going to make it through a “minor” earthquake of 6.0+. There have been earthquakes there before, there will be earthquakes again, maybe not for another hundred years, maybe tomorrow. God help us if its tomorrow because New York City will be a far, far worse scene of carnage than New Orleans

I also foresee more and more hurricanes hitting the gulf coast and the Atlantic Coast. No magic involved, I have been reading the climate reports and keeping and eye on the trends.

The thing is that scientists, engineers, climatologists, officials up and down the government ladder KNEW that New Orleans was in a dangerous place, knew that it was in need of major levee protection and instead of dealing with that the funding was cut. When Katrina entered the Gulf New Orleans should have been completely evacuated.

Sure people left, those with the transportation. Those without the means were left behind to die. Shame on USA.

All of those busses, trucks and planes that could have been used to remove more of the population from a city that was/is a death trap. And sure enough thousands are dying/dead because we lacked the foresight to see a city Below Sea Level as being a bad place to be in a hurricane.

And the “relief” for that area – shameful. The response is slow, the number of available personnel, material, supplies and tools is too low. When the hurricane season starts we should already have the resources at ready, we should have the personnel on stand by, and we should have the tools and the equipment ready to load up into transport vehicles.

Every year we are hit with minor and major disasters, we wait until they take place to start pooling together our resources. What an idiotic way to do business. We should be stock-piling and have a comprehensive plan of action for dealing with disasters – each major city should be better equipped to deal with the possibilities – And each should be prepared to send its material, personnel, equipment, supplies, etc to another city.

Each year Floods, tornados, fires, heat waves, earthquakes, the list is endless – poises a real threat, or actually takes place – Floods, Tornadoes and Fires are a yearly event. Yet each and every single time we act so surprised and meet the issue with minimal preparedness.

Here is another prediction for you, through the next decade storms and deadly heat waves are going to increase in number. More and more forests are going to burn – Millions will die, and each time one event takes place we are going to be “surprised” and caught with our pants around our ankles and thousands if not millions are going to die needlessly.

David: I vote that we try to put you in a management position, since your current position of jack of all trades is not doing you justice. I do agree with much of what you wrote concerning the greed, apathy, and ignorance obliterating the objective of preserving lives, making it a matter of well, we will cross that bridge when we coming to it--if we have the transportation.

I noticed that you were championing common sense above any prophetic ability, which sometimes includes predicting the future, or any use of magic, of whose prediction ability I am unaware. Truly, a day or two or three, I believe, before Katrina struck, I up and said something like these words to my sister, "I wonder how the people are going to deal with the recession or depression, which is coming. The depression will be either financial or mental." Now, I did want to post this prediction, but I stopped myself for a few reasons: I didn't want to show off and detract from its seriousness, I didn't know in which forum to post it, and I didn't want to get yet more flack from those who think that it is not possible to foretell an event. Yes, I needed to get this off my chest.

What needs to be emphasized is exactly the points which you made: 1) we do have the ability to know what will happen when we make correct choices and when we make incorrect choices and 2) we have even the ability to choose to entertain making if not also make correct choices. I will add that any prophetic ability is not to be relied on as a replacement for righteousness: we have sin for that, don't we?

If what you "predict" or something similar occurs, some of us will get the message that any time is a time for repentence: it is written that righteousness exalted a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people. However, I will not hold my breath on our current President leading us to do any right thing unless there is some obvious political payoff for doing so. This is what I simply can't stand about government: how badly it too often stinks. In other words, it is truly nauseating to have to conclude that government for the people and by the people is reflecting a majority of people who, too often doing the wrong thing, are . . . pigs. At such shameful times, I hope that government is not reflecting a majority of people. Oh, to see the day when public outrage overrides political gain . . . and I stop being an idealist.

Well, it did anger me briefly to see all those people suffer for days and days before help was ordered. How can citizens in our America have to beg their government for help for days and days is beyond me. Ignorantly, some idiots labeled all those suffering American citizens as refugees. Sad!



For sure, if David's prediction is right about New York City...rest assured, help will immediately be available, and no citizens will be called refugees.

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Originally posted by honilov:
Well, it did anger me briefly to see all those people suffer for days and days before help was ordered. How can citizens in our America have to beg their government for help for days and days is beyond me. Ignorantly, some idiots labeled all those suffering American citizens as refugees. Sad!



For sure, if David's prediction is right about New York City...rest assured, help will immediately be available, and no citizens will be called refugees.

New York city is a "Mega-city" its current population is 7,333,253 compared to New Orleans small 484,149. If we are not prepared to deal with half a million people how on earth will we deal with over 7 million?

I seriously doubt help will be immediate for New York, and with over 7 million people, many would never live long enough (weeks) to see help arrive. If we are having problems assimilating have a million people into the rest of the USA, just think what issues and problems would take place if we had to assimilate New York City's 7.33 million.

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Tseab, you live in the Big Apple, are you aware that you have Hurricane zoning in your city and a "plan of action"?
nyc.gov

Earthquake and New York:

static.highbeam.com

Heres a nice article which tells us that New York's time is up:
geo.sunysb.edu It also points out how a 5 is like a 6 in California since New York is not built to withstand earthquakes.

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David I thought the same thing, New Orleans is realitively small....I imagine terrorists watching this and thinking how much devastation the can cause, we are obviously not prepared to handle disaster.

David, the reason those Katrina-stricken citizens had to beg for days to get help wasn't because we weren't prepared....it was because the people in authority didn't give a **** about them. There is no way in **** that it would take that many days for the New Yorkers to get help.

There was a great failure for an early response to this disaster. They wouldn't fail New York.

David: I am standing on the Rock, who is God. If some unregenerate wants to babble that He has something to do with the ground below me being jello. . . .

Truly, I believe that nothing that bad will happen to me, because God needs me to write His prophecy books for Him. Yet, if these participants here knew what has already happened to me in my life and especially in the last ten years, they would be very upset.

Are you prepared to take me in if my situation becomes unbearable, which, by the way, is unscriptural, since He cannot tempt (test) us more than we are able?

I have to say that people did more than suffer... people suffered for a long time and died. Mostly from a preventable case of dehydration. I live far too close to the situation. I heard people talking of babies dying right in their arms because there was nothing to give them. Not only that, they were forced to just leave them lay in a heap with the rest of the dead bodies in order to get out. Now I know that the government is playing a finger pointing game with themselves and other agencies. I say it is wrong of the government, both federal and local not to recognise the fact that there are extremely poor people in New Orleans who just did not have the means to escape. As far as the looting is concerned, it is not considered looting if it is something you are taking for survival purpose during a disaster. Looting is stealing televisions etc. I honestly believe that some parts of New Orleans will never be back. It is a forgone conclusion that Rita wiped out what Katrina did not... what may have been salvagable at one time especially in the 9th ward.

Hi, guys. Thought I'd put some of my thoughts in, because I've lived in Florida for 8 years, some of you may have, I don't know.

I don't disagree with your thoughts about how many people died simply because they were neglected and help came too late and they were unprepared. I expected it, and so did many of use living here in Florida.
Fact is, you can have an emergency disaster plan all you want to "take care" of all the problems that occur. But, unless you've experienced the real deal before, many people don't know what to expect or what to believe.
Florida has an emergency plan for hurricanes, obviously, as we have seen recently, and it worked and continues to work because it's been tried and tested.
New Orleans hasn't experienced a hurricane like Katrina for many years; they realized it might happen again and they created a plan--good choice. But a plan that has never been put in action is bound to have many faults.
There are some New Orleans residents who denied that there would so much damage they might die--they didn't know any better because they'd never experienced a hurricane before. Some people are just stubborn and will not leave for a "big storm". Florida gets hit with hurricanes every year, and the residents know what to expect, what to listen to and what to do. I'm not saying it's the New Orleans residents' faults, but I don't think it was the fault of the government either, not wholly at least, because nobody effing knew!
Another important detail to remember is that Katrina took her sweet time deciding where to go. It was an unpredictable storm. Some of you may not think that factors in, but it does. I'm not a meteorologist, but I know that the temperature, the currents and the wind all factor in to the projected path of the storm, and the data surrounding Katrina was not enough to make an educated decision of where it was going to go. Some storms will flow right where they are supposed to go, because the currents and temperature support what is forecasted, but the weather is crazy, and as a result, Louisiana lost some valuable evacuation time.

I don't necessarily disagree with any of you, I just wanted to point out some things that may not have been thought about to factor in your personal thoughts.

"I'm not saying it's the New Orleans residents' faults, but I don't think it was the fault of the government either, not wholly at least, because nobody effing knew!"

We disagree on this point. Several hurricane people told the federal government almost exactly what to expect, and gave a worst case scenario. And that's what happened to New Orleans. Despite Bush's statements that no one expected the levees to fail, the federal government was told almost exactly that in almost exactly the same words. Actually, the hurricane experts were just a bit too strong in their predictions; they based their warnings on Katrina being a Category 5 when it hit New Orleans. As it was, Katrina was a Category 4 when it hit New Orleans. Just think how much worse it would have been if it had been a 5. FEMA should have been ready for the predicted 5, but they weren't even close. I understand that both Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco could have done a better job than they did, but we need to remember - they were voted in to be Mayor and Governor, and disaster planning is just a part of their responsibilities. FEMA has only one responsibility, and it failed terribly in that. You can blame the pencil-pushing politicians at the top of FEMA, or you can blame the guy who hired them rather than people who knew how to respond to an emergency, but the biggest part of the blame goes to Washington, not Louisiana. Evidence of that is the many similar complaints from Alabama and Mississippi about FEMA. Have you seen anyone blaming the mayors and governors there? Guess what both governors and all four Senators from hose two states have in common. If you guess correctly, you'll see why no one, especially from the federal government, is blaming them, but somehow finds the New Orleans mayor and Louisiana governor at fault.