I am uncertain if this is the right place for this topic. I beg pardons and ask moderator to move to the right place, if it needs to move.
For the past couple of months in my spare time I have been tinkering with an idea, you can find my idea here: Oceanic Project
It is not even a half of a thought presently. I have a few other bugs to iron along the way. I do (as always) welcome other's thoughts on the matter.
In summery, the idea is a way to live on the sea working toward sustainable micro-community living. Where small communities contain the means in which to grow food, power themselves, get fresh water, and have an exportable (and needed) resource. As time progresses many small communities would be grouped together.
Presently I call it Oceanic Project or Oceanic City - I would welcome better names. Uh no Atlantis is not a good name, neither is Titanic.
Posts: 3885 | Location: Leaving land, heading for the ocean | Registered: 06-03-02
I like the Maori concept Tangaroa. It's not exactly a 'sea god', it's more like 'Water is primal.'
Here are some attempts to translate these ideas into English.
"Māori noted different types of waters. Seas could be calm and refreshing, boisterous and masculine, or extremely dangerous. Water was considered to be an energy possessing myriad characteristics, shapes and natures. It upheld life, yet was also able to bring terrible destruction. This energy with all its forms, moods and expressions is called Tangaroa. "
I like the idea that the primal energy is neither always benevolent nor always evil. We humans should learn to respect that nature was not built so that we could exploit it. If we're careful and intelligent, we can benefit without destroying anything.
Posts: 6249 | Location: British Columbia, Canada | Registered: 06-11-02
It's a very impressive study and I'm going to have to check out google sketch now. Brings to mind Walt Disney's ideal city work and also Buckminster Fuller and Frank Lloyd Wright for their sustainable community work.
I think the only flaw is the idea that it needs to be on the ocean. I hesitate to make this comment because I haven't read the entire presentation carefully, but here goes:
Oil platforms are the nearest comparison. These are viable because they are pulling in oil which is about the most profitable commodity that can be tapped into. Oil platforms are tremendously expensive and it seems that your platforms would be even more costly. When assessing the viability of a location land value comes into play and essentially you are proposing to construct land - this is not unheard of. Chicago's lakefront property is quite a bit of landfill. Toyko has an airport on landfill. In the Persian Gulf they are building sand islands using massive dredging equipment (See Palm 1, Palm 2 and The World)
What I worry about is that your communities would have to have some strong economic draw to balance the idea of spending let's say conservatively a hundred million to build the platforms. In Tokyo it made sense because they had no land for an airport. In Chicago it made sense to fill because there was a swampy low land up against the lake that wasn't buildable. In Dubai the concept is to offer a beach front home to all the oil rich people visiting the newest tourist attraction in the world.
So while I hesitate to buy into the idea, I also have to say that nobody ever believed in Walt Disney at first either and look at how a little mouse made his dreams at least come to some fruition. (If you haven't seen his city studies, they are worth researching.)
I think it's interesting and would like to see what you come up with for some estimates of price - using nearest comparisons. I would also like to see you place it in an ideal location - no tsunamis, no hurricanes, nothing horrific for the residents to endure.
Can the island be moved if something happens?
Ever watch the show Jericho? Ever consider how the politics of a group of small communities would work? Would it be divorced from a country or part of a country? I think there are benefits to being divorced from country, but there must be some liabilities too.
Posts: 3039 | Location: USA | Registered: 06-04-02
Best location is within 5 degrees of the Equator where typhoon and hurricans can not spawn and do not cross. Other storms tend to lessen their strength due to the way the world spins and the effects that has on weather.
Why the sea? Because presently most of our fish comes from nets and harvesting the wild or native populations. I see a profitable business in farming the seas instead of exploiting them. Considering that we are talking 70 or more billions of dollars (US) in international ocean fishing per year we can assume that people will buy home grown fish if you sell them on the idea that it is eco-friendly, that instead of depleting natural stocks you are raising them, that no dolphins are being caught in the nets, that by and large the method is sustainable and will by its nature lead to creating artificial biomes far away from the coastal waters were mercury and other toxic chemicals are leeched into the rivers that flow to the sea.
My idea is a platform that is supposed to be stationary geographically speaking, is in a form where other platforms are joined together (as needs and demands increase) and, if my understanding of the technology for "growing" mineralization is correct - more platforms can be made cheaper at the site.
Although they will be sea anchored to one geo-position - they are still manageable in size and in draft to where if necessary they can be towed to another location.
I grew up in a small town, I know intimately the politics of small town life. I considered that as being a healthy "safe" place to be. Small communities of people tend to be close knit and there is less crime and more sense of family even with people living down the road a piece. I also lived in big cities where people are hard pressed to give you a smile let alone call the police if they see you being assaulted.
The target population is the middle class to poor. If it can be started as a business I would want to target the population of say Tuvalu - a nation of 8 islands that are needing a place to go since the rising ocean waters is flooding their homes. With a population of about 11,000 people with a huge ocean fishing/dependency already they would be most suited to moving to platform living and most likely could teach us a thing or two when it comes to mariculture.
This this was the case then they would of course keep their national identity. Unfortunately their waters are polluted and their corals are dying - so the idea of mariculture would not work well there. A bit off shore, perhaps.
Posts: 3885 | Location: Leaving land, heading for the ocean | Registered: 06-03-02