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All right, so some atheists have written some books calling for believers to use reason instead of faith or, at least, along with faith.

1. What do you think will be religion's next trend?

2. What do you think should be religion's next trend?
 
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That depends entirely on which religion, and which denomination of that religion you are talking about.
 
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I think religion's next trend will be a lot like religion's last trend. Each religion will strive mightily to
- gain more adherents, so it can
- raise more money, so it can
- influence the social system.

I think religion's next trend should be to pack it in so people can start living in the real world. But I know it ain't gonna happen. Too many people would rather deal with imaginary beings. They find real human beings too difficult to deal with.
 
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1. I think religion's next trend will be that more people will use reason instead of faith.

2. I think religion's next trend should be that reason instead of blind faith continues to become more and more prevalent. I can't swear to it, but as best I recall, Sir Julian Huxley opined on the future evolution of man: "If man is to make any further progress he must cease to put off onto the shoulders of mythical gods and metaphysical absolutes responsibilities which are rightfully his own". We need to grow up, IMHO.
 
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1. I think religion's next trend will be that more people will use reason instead of faith.


That should pretty much kill religion as we know it.
 
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Maybe it should be greater reliance on reason, but the rise of Christian and Islamic fundamentalism shows a flight from reason, and increasing reliance on unquestioning acceptance of arbitrary doctrines or extremist "literal" interpretations of text, even where they contradict common sense, humanity or all the evidence in the ('real') world.

There's a relatively small counter-movement, in religion, as some Westerners seem to be attracted to Buddhism's non-theistic reasonableness, or Unitarianism's humane and sensible inclusiveness.

It'd be nice to think that religion's next trend will be to quietly die out, as in Europe, and be replaced by properly thought-out philosophies of how to live well and be good to each other. (Isn't much of the better part of Christian tradition based on such Ancient Greek or Asina philosophy anyway?)
 
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"When I do good things, I feel good. When I do bad things, I feel bad. That is my religion."
Abraham Lincoln.
 
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frankvan: Wasn't it Lincoln who said that no one can please all of the people all of the time? I suppose that no one else was into his head examining his conscience; leastwise, his cuckoo wife wasn't.
 
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I think religion's next trend will be a lot like religion's last trend. Each religion will strive mightily to
- gain more adherents, so it can
- raise more money, so it can
- influence the social system.

I think religion's next trend should be to pack it in so people can start living in the real world. But I know it ain't gonna happen. Too many people would rather deal with imaginary beings. They find real human beings too difficult to deal with.


Aw, come one, babs, we know that, at times, you find me too difficult to deal with and vice versa. Also, isn't it everyone's imagination to be able to influence the social system according to his or her own views? Ya must use reason here.
 
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frankvan: Wasn't it Lincoln who said that no one can please all of the people all of the time? I suppose that no one else was into his head examining his conscience; leastwise, his cuckoo wife wasn't.


No, I believe he said you couldn't FOOL all of the people all of the time. That is a job for the clergy! Wink
 
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Tsaeb calls for the rule of sweet reason:
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... isn't it everyone's imagination to be able to influence the social system according to his or her own views? Ya must use reason here.

Yabbut the social system exists in the real world. I would prefer we not bring in extra-terrestrials which cannot be examined in the witness box or by a real mean reporter on 60 Minutes.
 
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No, I believe he said you couldn't FOOL all of the people all of the time.


Hmmmm. I thought it was P.T. Barnum, or maybe Harry Houdini.
 
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No, Houdini said, "Where the hell is that damned hole in the ice?"
 
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No, Houdini said, "Where the hell is that damned hole in the ice?"


Didn't know he fished in the winter.
 
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No, Houdini said, "Where the hell is that damned hole in the ice?"


Didn't know he fished in the winter.


Did I imagine this? I remember reading about his being chained and put in a trunk and thrown into a hole in the ice. He didn't emerge and the photogs and newpeople all left, giving him up for dead. He, supposedly survived by breathing in the little air-space between ice and water, repeatedly until he was able to find the hole and emerge when everyone had gone home. Could that have been true or just another elaborate trick? I'm sure I read it ?? Confused
 
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Yes, the anecdote is true. I was just kidding.
 
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I think that I viewed Houdini's gravesite in Cypress Hills Cemetery on the Brooklyn-Queens border. I wonder whether this is true.
 
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It's Machpelah Cemetary, Ridgewood, Queens County.
 
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I think that I viewed Houdini's gravesite in Cypress Hills Cemetery on the Brooklyn-Queens border. I wonder whether this is true.


That was enough to make him spin violently, I'm sure. Wink
 
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Yabbut he couldn't get out!!!
 
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