The surprising spread of the 8 votes thus far warrants bumping this up for possibly some more votes. *************************************************** 04-20-06, 06:38 PM juanruiz 10 responses is not much of a representative pool. And the question was "do you think Christians," so all that answered may not have been Christians...I, for example.
04-20-06, 08:26 PM babthrower I voted for Jesus more than God because I think most Christians find Jesus more approachable, probably because they believe he once experienced being human.
There is a segment of the Roman Catholic faith that wants all prayers directed to Mary, Jesus' mother. I suppose that is because they believe she was fully human.
04-20-06, 08:38 PM juanruiz I voted Jesus alone. Way back on Jeeves I posted a thread called "The Jesusification of the Deity" in which I argued that Jesus has replaced God as the central figure of worship in Christianity.
04-20-06, 09:12 PM Insaf
quote: Originally posted by juanruiz: 10 responses is not much of a representative pool. And the question was "do you think Christians," so all that answered may not have been Christians...I, for example.
I agree.....I didnt vote as I thought it was only for Christians.
04-20-06, 09:28 PM Insaf
quote: Originally posted by juanruiz: I voted Jesus alone. Way back on Jeeves I posted a thread called "The Jesusification of the Deity" in which I argued that Jesus has replaced God as the central figure of worship in Christianity.
I believe that is true. I believe that the stress on Jesus as God in Christian teaching(Since Paul times) is the primary reason for this.
04-20-06, 09:33 PM juanruiz
quote: I believe that the stress on Jesus as God in Christian teaching(Since Paul times) is the primary reason for this.
Yes, and then continually refined over the millenia. Notice the Nicaean Creed: "I believe in God the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth..." and that's it for God, the rest is mainly Jesus. Or these evangelicals with tears in their eyes and their arms raised repeating the mantra "Thank you, Jesus!"
04-21-06, 03:03 AM tsaeb I did not intend to restrict voting to Christians, but it would be interesting to examine whether there is a difference in the voting between Christians and non-Christians.
04-29-06, 08:47 PM juanruiz I would think that since they call themselves Christians, their emphasis is on Jesus.
05-01-06, 09:09 PM bik74
quote: Originally posted by tsaeb: I did not intend to restrict voting to Christians, but it would be interesting to examine whether there is a difference in the voting between Christians and non-Christians.
The result was shocking... but now I am slightly relieved to know that christians are not the only one posting/voting here. Why would a non christian worship Jesus (peace be upon him) ?
05-01-06, 09:29 PM juanruiz
quote: Why would a non christian worship Jesus
None whatsoever.
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I am not really sure if the question is asking what people think would be the answer given by most Christians, or if it is asking what each one who professes Christianity, does.
It sounds like the former, but I voted as if it was the latter.
(At least I think I voted that way; I cast the vote when the question was fairly new. I forgot about it until the link on a newer question brought me back here and I tried to vote, but it told me I had already done so.)
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The problem is the way the question is worded. I voted Jesus more than God, not because that is my personal preference, but because I think that is, unfortunately, what is happening in Christianity: worship of the human Jesus as He was on earth, rather than the risen Jesus as God and King of King and Lord of Lords. And as Bab says, in a certain segment of Catholicism, Mary is the one prayed to.
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Jesus said that the Father and I are One. God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit ... ONE God, three divine natures. Just as we each are mind, body and spirit .. we have three natures but are One individual , so it is with God. We are not to pray to Mary or to anyone else as that would be breaking the Ten Commandments.
I believe that all Christians should focus more their attention on our own hearts and getting right and staying right before God.
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Hello to everyone! Artist77 is correct on the majority of his response. However,the "praying to Mary or anyone else breaking the Ten commandments" is incorrect. Just as I can ask anyone to pray for me which is interceding for me,I can pray to Mary or anyone who has gone before us to intercede for me. He is the "God of the living,not the dead". Now,to be clear, I'm talking about any and all intercessions going through the "one mediator between God and man",Jesus Christ. I know,"then why bother with the other stuff?" It would be like a sister asking a parent for something for her brother. Of course, it would be a display of sibling love taken in by the parents! As Mary says in scripture: "Do whatever He tells you." Besides, the One who put Mary in such a prominent position was God Himself! BTW,the believe on Jesus is "True God and True Man". 100% Divine and 100% Man. He humbled Himself to show us the way and to show us that He does understand human suffering! Also, Artist77 said,"I believe that all Christians should focus more their attention on our own hearts and getting right and staying right before God." Absolutely! Learning about Christianity won't impress the Lord if it isn't from the heart FIRST! --There are a lot of Catholics who don't bother to understand their faith,unfortunately! I will pray for them,too!
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I agree, praying is just humbly requesting, or imploring. I can pray the judge to let me off on an 'unlicensed vehicle parked on the street' charge, and I have done that, without being an idolator.
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hi all, just curious when use(christians) worship god i just want to know, dont u have three distinct mental pictures of who god is, father, son and holy ghost or mary.
ferros: Those who believe in the Trinity, believe in God manifesting Himself as God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus.
I am peculiar in that I believe in the Kingdom so that God manifests Himself as God, the Word, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus.
I asked the question, because it too often looks as though Christians worship Jesus, the Son, seemingly omitting God in their main focus, if this even be possible. Often, I, for one, ask questions to get such questions as yours as well as answers. How about posting some questions for us?
Let's make sure we're clear on this,okay?.... Jesus IS God, God the Son,The Word made flesh,(which means God humbled Himself and became man!) second "person" of the Holy Trinity. God is: Father,Son, and Holy Spirit. So "Worshipping God,Jesus,Both" is misleading. We give glory to the Father by accepting His Son, our Lord and Savior,Jesus Christ. (A very simplified visual of the Holy Trinity is the three leaf clover: One clover,but three separate leaves.) kephafan
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kephafan: We are instructed to pray in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. That takes care of all four manifestations: Word, Father God, Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. We cannot pray the Word and yet counterclaim that our prayers omit the Word. After all, we are also instructed to pray without ceasing. We pray the Word, in the Word, don't we? God is the Word, and the scripture that the Word was made flesh means that Jesus got his words from his Father God, which Jesus claimed in John.
Again, I advocate the Kingdom, which includes the Word. We are also instructed to seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, aren't we? The Kindgom is not a piece of land but all of God so that all these things (the totality of the Kingdom of God and His righteousness) will be added unto you. We don't need any promised land: we already got that.
tsaeb, my question posed was aimed at the trinity as you picked out beautifuly, but, at the same time doesnt my question answer yours.
if god is to manifest himself as jesus then you and others belive that jesus is God and you do no omitting.
but if you belive god to be separate entity or being which is what i belive then yes it becomes seemingly as so that to much emphises is put on jesus and not on God himself.
the real queation is if i am right lol is, is jesus god or not.
(remember the trinity explains that the father,son and holy spirit to be 1 which means in maths language that 3 equals 1.)
ferros: You know that answering whether Jesus is God is more difficult than answering whether God is Jesus. Since I hope to write a few books on these challenges--and a few books they require--I think that I will first get around to whether God is Jesus.
ferros: In John, Jesus informs us that Jesus' words came from His Father, God. So God was in Jesus as the Word. I leave the rest for you to determine for yourself.
tsaeb: before i go on any further i would just like to say its been good discussing this topic with you and please let me know if im being to rude, of course this is your religion were talking about.
when you say Jesus' words came from His Father, God and then you conclude that if so, God was in Jesus as the Word.
To me it means that if i quote a famous writer or singer so that my words come from him does that mean that the writer or singer is in me?
And when you say god "was" in jesus as the word, what is jesus now.
Originally posted by ferros: To me it means that if i quote a famous writer or singer so that my words come from him does that mean that the writer or singer is in me?
thats a pretty good example, sad i did not think of it. What to me it means that Jesus (God bless him) was a prophet, a messenger.
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