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This is astonishing. I met Joyce about 40 years ago at her husband's recording studio, a really sweet person. That was the only time I ever saw her. Has this story travelled across the Atlantic? It is massive in implication, although even over here it is not widely acknowledged outside the classical world...

The King and the Magic Suit of Clothes rides again...

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Looking back at this post above, I realise that the heading has a typing error in it. On trying to correct it I am informed, "You do not have permission," etc, etc. Well, in the early days I used to be able to do so, so what has happened in the meantime that now prevents me from doing this???

Increadible is it not Ritz?

I'm open-mouthed at this: I find it all but unbelievable. The story completely escaped me this week though I suppose other media reported it. The Times article reads almost like one of those April Fool stories tht are commmon in the UK press, yet the date clearaly says February 27. Goodness me - "maassive in implication" it most certainly is. Many thanks for revealing it to me Ritz.

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Originally posted by Ritzmar:
Looking back at this post above, I realise that the heading has a typing error in it. On trying to correct it I am informed, "You do not have permission," etc, etc. Well, in the early days I used to be able to do so, so what has happened in the meantime that now prevents me from doing this???

Everyone has 15 minutes grace in which to edit their posts. This thread in the EODB discusses it.

P.S. I've corrected your typo.

Cheers, Karrow, for editing my spelling. Please do not edit Jenny's as she has only herself to blame...


In one hundred years of recorded music, nothing on this scale has ever happened before. Sadly for W.B/C, the same technological advancement that has granted him the wherewithal to perform these ingenious sleights of hand in the first place are part of the same digital forensic science, the employment of which in the hands of others has proved to be his undoing.

Had he brought it off, he would have become very rich and famous, not only from the proceeds of disc sales, but from articles, books...film rights...? The story of how one of the UK's greatest ever pianists recorded almost the entire repertoire of pianistic literature, whilst being ignored by the whole of the orthodox musical intelligentsia would have made a riveting subject. Recording it, moreover, in critical oblivion, dying from cancer and seated at the piano, so we are told, in a wheelchair, producing incredible volumes of first rate playing.

I wonder, to take just one example, how many critics praised her recordings of the Chopin/Godowsky études, who previously had dismissed Carlo Grante's earlier version as second rate, only to discover now that they are one and the same recording?(!)

We have not yet heard the end of this strange saga, by any means. Much more detective work is being done...watch this space!

Many years ago I bought some EMI recordings by a pianist who was famous but who had died young ( who would that have been?) that turned out, embarrassingly, not to be by him at all. The company apologised but I forget how it was that this error was ever made. It looked as though there was such interest in anything by this performer that anything which he might have recorded was optimistically taken to be certainly recorded by him.

Now, if only this lady's husband had used the performances of the late Les Dawson instead, we could all feel some sympathy

Fred, Mrs Ritzmar asked me today whether the police would be interested in bringing a charge against Hatto's husband. I said, probably not, as none of the recording companies who are involved have as yet made an official complaint. She responded with, "Well, to my knowledge no-one in the public domain has brought an official charge against Tony Blair in the 'cash for honours' charade, and the police seem very interested in this matter."

My knowledge of the law in general is roughly on a par with my fluency in Swahili, i.e. not exceptionally highly informed. On a slightly more serious note than your comment above are you willing to contribute some input on this matter? I personally could not give a flying duck whether people are honoured for contributing to various political parties. I am certain that in quiet corners of Corridors of Power where large pink gins are being sipped, many a wink & a nod has caused money and titles to be exchanged to mutual benefit between the dubious inhabitants of the Palace of Westminster throughout its very long and murky existence, and like the rain in Manchester, no power on earth will ever stop it.

Call me an old cynic ( who said that???) but I would be shocked to discover that this does not happen regularly. As long as the eleventh commandment is never broken, 'Thou shalt not be found out', no serious international damage appears to be done.

So, whither Barrington-Coupe and his audacious plan? How do you see the situation if no record company wishes to sue? Can/would the police pursue anyway? Can/would they afford to go it on their own when they would merely succeed in financially ruining a 76 year old con man?

I await your pontification with bated breath ...

Actually, we used to have a crafty cat at one time. She would eat a piece of cheese, and then sit over a mousehole with
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This woman's husband could be charged with obtaining property (money) by deception. He may be.Who knows? On the face of it he has sought to get payment or reward by falsely pretending that his wife made these recordings. It's a matter for the Crown Prosecution Service whether they think they'll have enough evidence to present to a court and, more importantly, whether they think it in the public interest to prosecute.

[By the way 'the famous pianist' I couldn't remember for my earlier post was Dinu Lipatti, who died of leukaemia in 1950. EMI issued LPs of 'his' studio recordings which were not his, in fact)

Well, where does the Milli Vanilli lip sync scandal rate?

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Originally posted by babthrower:
Well, where does the Milli Vanilli lip sync scandal rate?

I guess right up there with the belief there was ever a group called The Archies.

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Originally posted by FredPuli:
[By the way 'the famous pianist' I couldn't remember for my earlier post was Dinu Lipatti, who died of leukaemia in 1950. EMI issued LPs of 'his' studio recordings which were not his, in fact)

He is one of my very famous pianists. I know nothing at all about this occurence...can you give further details, please?