Forbes Fox News CNN Yahoo ************************************************************* 05-29-06, 12:08 PM DorianGreyed Methos' link, KNX News Radio, didn't mention that the US troops fired into the crowd.
Fuse's Forbes link, from Associated Press, has this to say, as did the Fox and Yahoo links:
Witnesses said that Afghan and U.S. troops opened fire to quell protesters. A U.S. spokesman said American troops shot into the air, and AP Television News video showed a machine gun on a Humvee firing over the crowd as the vehicle sped away. But a Kabul police chief said U.S. troops had fired into the crowd.
CNN, using the Associated Press source, said:
A Kabul police chief, Sher Shah Usafi, said another person was killed when U.S. troops fired into a crowd of stone-throwing protesters soon after the crash. ************************************************************* 05-29-06, 12:25 PM methos "Methos' link" ... one of Methos's 22 links Wink. The gunfire was left out of the breaking news story I linked to, but they are now carrying the Associated Press story, including the gun fire. ************************************************************* 05-29-06, 12:47 PM DorianGreyed Sorry. I took that for one long link. When you get old and "decrapped" (as my son calls me, using three syllables), you'll understand. ************************************************************* 05-29-06, 02:42 PM sid1114 would that getting old were actually leading to becoming "decrapped."
In a related thought: it's really appalling that the Democrats are unwilling or unable to make the obvious case that abandoning Afganistan for invading Iraq was EXACTLY the wrong thing to do, on both fronts, in fighting a war on terrorism. It should be so obvious, even to those with dyed wool, that making the case should be easy for any politican with a modicum of brights and gumption. Which is, of course, the problem. ************************************************************* 05-29-06, 03:51 PM Scotty
quote: Does this information even make it into US living rooms?
Roll Eyes The last time I checked, we were still a free Country. ************************************************************* 05-29-06, 05:30 PM DorianGreyed Unfortunately, Scotty, living in a free country does not mean that we always get the truth about events. Often, it takes years for the truth to come out, and sometimes it may never come out. Below are just a very few examples of when the truth took years to come out.
How LBJ became "Landslide Lyndon". --- Gulf of Tonkin Incident --- The Pentagon Papers et al. --- Teddy Roosevelt's charge up San Juan Hill --- In one of his books, muckraker George Seldes tell of how the American public was told about a fierce battle (WWI) in which US forces were finally able to overcome the odds and caputure hundreds of German soldiers. The truth of the matter was that the Germans has retreated from that city, and there was no battle. The prisoners were due to poor communications on the part of the German army. It seems that no one bothered to tell the reinforcements about the retreat, so when they arrived in the city by train, they were surrounded by the US army and surrendered. --- Remember the Maine? --- President James Buchanan --- Mrs. President Coolidge --- J.Edgar Hoover --- Various CIA attempts at Castro and others --- Several accidents involving nuclear weapons (Did they ever find that one that fell in a marsh in some southern state?) --- My Lai --- Henry Kissinger quietly acknowledged to China in 1972 that Washington could accept a communist takeover of South Vietnam if that evolved after a withdrawal of U.S. troops _ even as the war to drive back the communists dragged on with mounting deaths.
President Nixon's envoy told Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, "If we can live with a communist government in China, we ought to be able to accept it in Indochina."
Kissinger's blunt remarks surfaced in a collection of papers from his years of diplomacy released Friday by George Washington University's National Security Archive. The collection was gathered from documents available at the government's National Archives and obtained through the research group's declassification requests.
Kissinger's comments appear to lend credence to the "decent interval" theory posed by some historians who say the United States was prepared to see communists take over Saigon as long as that happened long enough after a U.S. troop departure to save face. - Washington Post, Saturday, May 27, 2006
How many US troops died in Vietnem after Kissinger made those comments, 34 yeas ago? Did we save face? Why are we just finding out about this? ************************************************************* 05-29-06, 06:54 PM coldfuse I have a feeling methos made one of the most ingenious and creative posts in News & Reference history and we all missed it! ************************************************************* 05-30-06, 02:21 AM Adi And the supplementary question...
quote: Job well done, George?
Given recent events in Afghanistan (not only in this news story), what tangible benefits have been achieved after almost 5 years of operations? ************************************************************* 05-30-06, 12:11 PM sid1114 well, conditions are certainly more propitious for poppy-growers. ************************************************************* 05-30-06, 12:29 PM DorianGreyed To be fair, we did remove from power possibly the most repressive regime in the world. That is not to say that it was worth it. In my opinion, we should have stayed in Afghanistan rather than make it a side issue, with Iraq as the main issue. But then, my intentions were to get those responsible for the attacks on 9/11; bush's obviously wasn't. Going into Afghanistan, we had the backing and respect of most of the world; now, we don't, and we have entered, and are losing, two wars. ************************************************************* 05-30-06, 01:24 PM aminator2002 Not everyone missed methos' links... some of us just wondered why fuse had bothered to post links to news stories after the very ingenius post. Big Grin ************************************************************* 05-30-06, 01:30 PM hippolips
quote: Originally posted by DorianGreyed: Unfortunately, Scotty, living in a free country does not mean that we always get the truth about events. Often, it takes years for the truth to come out, and sometimes it may never come out.
Henry Kissinger quietly acknowledged to China in 1972 that Washington could accept a communist takeover of South Vietnam if that evolved after a withdrawal of U.S. troops _ even as the war to drive back the communists dragged on with mounting deaths.
President Nixon's envoy told Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, "If we can live with a communist government in China, we ought to be able to accept it in Indochina."
Kissinger's blunt remarks surfaced in a collection of papers from his years of diplomacy released Friday by George Washington University's National Security Archive. The collection was gathered from documents available at the government's National Archives and obtained through the research group's declassification requests.
Kissinger's comments appear to lend credence to the "decent interval" theory posed by some historians who say the United States was prepared to see communists take over Saigon as long as that happened long enough after a U.S. troop departure to save face. - Washington Post, Saturday, May 27, 2006
How many US troops died in Vietnem after Kissinger made those comments, 34 yeas ago? Did we save face? Wht are we just finding out about this?
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Hi Dorian:
If you really want to find out more about Kissinger[and the Bush's ,whom you seem to hate anyway],check out Kissinger and Depopulation,and you'll find out why we won't lift a finger in any of the African Nations.
Also check out Kissinger and Aids and you'll find out where Aids started , and how Kissinger [and the Bush's ]were involved.
Here's a quote from Kissinger on Depopulation:
"Depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World"
Check out National Security Memo 200,dated April 24,1974 ,and titled,"Implications of world wide population growth for U.S. security & overseas interests"
With your ability to access virtually any statistic ,you should be able to come up with this one easily.Good hunting.
hippolips
P.S. Depopulation is defined as elimination of billions of the worlds existing population through war[Iraq],famine[Darfur ?],disease[Aids] and any other means necessary. ************************************************************* 05-30-06, 02:24 PM DorianGreyed I was aware of Henry the K's position on population control, but not any Bush family tie-in. (That doesn't mean that I doubt that there is a tie-in.) --- I think that the world population has gone past any significant checks by war, although in the past it was much more of a factor. Large scale war certainly can change a country's future drastically, however, evem if it wins that war.* Disease and malnutrition remain the major population controls. Politics, as you well know, play a part in both of thee factors.
*Consider Russia's loses in WWI. Most of the entrepreneurial class, and much of the worker class died, as did many of the young intellectuals. The result was an almost immediate real vacuum of not only those future business and government leaders, but of the youth who could develop into those leaders. Who succeeded Lenin, one of Russia's leading intellects? Stalin, best described as a thug with power. Not only did Stalin, in power for 30 years, move to eliminate his more intellectual competition, but another war pops up (WWII) and Russia again suffers the loss of their best. Stalin's repression of the few intellectuals left resulted leaders like Bulganin, Beria, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, and Chernenko. Of those, only Brezhnev stood out. It wasn't until Gorbachev that Russia was finally led by anything close to a true intellect, and then, poor Russia falls to a poor Slavic imitation of Tip O'Neill in Yeltsin. Interestingly, Gorbachev was the first Soviet leader not born under Tsarist rule; he was very much a product of the Soviet system. ************************************************************* 05-31-06, 03:18 PM methos
quote: Originally posted by coldfuse: I have a feeling methos made one of the most ingenious and creative posts in News & Reference history and we all missed it!
Thanks, but if it was that ingenious, more than just ami would have noticed Wink. ************************************************************* 06-01-06, 10:36 PM newnickname Spinning out of control. ************************************************************* 06-01-06, 11:54 PM Dwight
quote: Thanks, but if it was that ingenious, more than just ami would have noticed
I noticed and used the links. I too thought it very clever, but did not comment because 'Fuse already had. This type of hyperlink usage teaches all computer users that it is important to LOOK at the layout. It does matter.
Dwight
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