Prosecutors Drop Charges in Duke Case

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Good idea. Now why don't we wait and see if that takes place? If it doesn't how would you explain that?

It won't take place because it never has in the past, but that should change.

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"It won't take place because it never has in the past,..."

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"It won't take place because it never has in the past,..."

Simply put........ Do you know of a woman who made a false claim of rape, that ever went to jail for making such claim?

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It has, to my knowledge, NEVER, happened, therefore: IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN! Is that logical?

But my question was: If these innocent young men were falsely accused od rape, the woman making the accusation is guilty of making a false police report. If future action in the case does NOT result in her either being arrested or charged in a civil suit for damages, what reason could you ascribe ?? If I were one of the parents shelling out a million bucks to get the charges dropped, I think I'd want to find out who was to blame.

Statistically, most rapes never get reported, and the only ones with which I'm familiar actually happened. False claims are very rare, I'm sure; therefore prosecutable.

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False Rape Accusations May Be More Common Than Thought
Tuesday, May 02, 2006

By Wendy McElroy

I don't mean the widely-circulated '1-in-4 women will be raped in their lifetime' but a statistic that suggests '1-in-4 accusations of rape are false.'

For a long time, I have been bothered by the elusiveness of figures on the prevalence of false accusations of sexual assault. The crime of 'bearing false witness' is rarely tracked or punished, and the context in which it is usually raised is highly politicized.

Politically correct feminists claim false rape accusations are rare and account for only 2 percent of all reports. Men's rights sites point to research that places the rate as high as 41 percent. These are wildly disparate figures that cannot be reconciled.

This week I stumbled over a passage in a 1996 study published by the U.S. Department of Justice: Convicted by Juries, Exonerated by Science: Case Studies in the Use of DNA Evidence to Establish Innocence After Trial.

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The intention to extort money would be the motive behind a false rape charge, I'd expect. Extortion's a crime. If the legal fees were as high as claimed and the case never even went to trial, those lawyers had to be doing something. So, as I said earlier, facts may emerge.

But without those facts, speculation is idle.

The only useful thing to do is for clever parents to warn their children:

- little girls, do not try to make a living by pandering to the lusts of good little choirboys on leave; things may turn nasty, and if they do, you'll be outnumbered; and

- little boys, don't do shameful things when you are running in packs with other boys in a high-testosterone mode; things may get out of hand, and your reputation may be damaged by guilt-by-association.

And the 'decent young men wouldn't do that sort of thing' defense isn't as reliable as it used to be.

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As another review notes:

A “Washington Post” investigation of rape reports in seven Virginia and Maryland counties in 1990 and 1991 found that nearly one in four were unfounded. When contacted by the Post, many of the alleged victims admitted that they had lied

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A study of rape allegations in Indiana over a nine-year period revealed that over 40% were shown to be false — not merely unproven.

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That false allegations are a major problem has been confirmed by several prominent prosecutors, including Linda Fairstein, who heads the New York County District Attorney’s Sex Crimes Unit. Fairstein, the author of “Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape,” says, “there are about 4,000 reports of rape each year in Manhattan. Of these, about half simply did not happen.”

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First, the category of 'false accusations' does not distinguish between accusers who lie and those who are honestly mistaken. Nor does it indicate that a rape did not occur, merely that the specific accused is innocent.

The above is from your (Scotty's) reference.

Unlike what you'r post seems to argue, it is less a question of making false accusations and more often a case of an inability to identify the correct perpetrator. It doesn't require a great deal of imagination to expect that rape victims may be emotional, upset, confused, embarrassed, and that eye witness identification sometimes include police lineups that promote confusion. All lacrosse players may look alike to some people!

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All lacrosse players may look alike to some people!

One of the many things that went wrong in this case was the method of identification of the then-alleged perpetrators. I'm sure everyone's seen lineups on TV shows where a suspect is mixed in with people who aren't suspects (and who are often selected to somewhat resemble the witnesses description). That wasn't how it was done here. The accuser said it was 3 lacrosse players, so she was shown pictures of almost all the lacrosse players (I believe one black player was left out because he obviously didn't fit the description) and told to pick three.

I hope everyone can see how poor a method that is. In a case where a rape did not occur, it makes the false accuser's job too easy. In a case where a rape did occur, it makes the chances of a misidentification much greater.

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Cleared Duke players consider suing DA

And possibly the accuser also.

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The accuser could also be a potential target for a lawsuit. Cooper said his investigators concluded no attack took place.

"There's no question they've got a lawsuit against her if she's brought false charges against them, which may be even more easily provable than actions against Nifong," said Stan Goldman, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles

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Scotty, could we agree for once that neither of us are privy to all of the evidence in this case? That all of the evidence may never come to public knowledge? That each of us has an opinion possibly influenced by our individual prejudices?

If so, I think we would be well advised to heed Babthrower's appeal to wait and see what future developments uncover. "consider suing" is not the same as "suing", nor is "has a lawsuit against her if--" the same as "She is being sued for --" or has "been arrested for --". Like many lawsuits that never come to trial, this one doesn't establish anything more than that, for some reason, this one also hasn't been pursued to a satisfactory conclusion. At the very least, the parents of all of the principal players would have un-answered reservations.IMO.

In the meantime, could we agree that something happened, or nothing happened, all speculation postponed for now?

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It seems that some of you feel that it is alright to railroad three innocent people, and ruin their lives because of a lie. This woman has a history of doing such things.
How many times did her story change? She could not get things straight.

Just because somebody yells rape, doesn't mean there was a rape. People that yell rape and it is proven to be a lie should face prison time.

Scotty, in your honest opinion, is this the way you felt about the woman that lied and said Kobe Bryant raped her? This was a woman that had semen of another man detected in her rape exam. Do you believe Kobe is as innocent as the choir boys? Just curious!

By the way, she did get something straight...those choir boys privates were upright straight.

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In the meantime, could we agree that something happened, or nothing happened, all speculation postponed for now?

Yes, of course.

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By the way, she did get something straight...those choir boys privates were upright straight.

How would she know, she never saw them.

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How would she know, she never saw them

It's human nature....you don't even have to see it to know.

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