Now media reports a poll showed Bush is in a new low. His approval rate was only 26%. I think in other way. Since media is controlled by intelligence, it is an extortion on Bush: Act now or you will be the worst President in history.
What action the intelligence demanded? Terror attacks to justify a new war. Terror attack benefit ruling class, it's common sense.
Quote, "Arkansas GOP head: We need more 'attacks on American soil' so people appreciate Bush
Josh Catone Published: Sunday June 3, 2007 In his first interview as the chairman of the Arkansas Republican Party, Dennis Milligan told a reporter that America needs to be attacked by terrorists so that people will appreciate the work that President Bush has done to protect the country.
Here is another news from ABC. May indicate a new plot of terror attack.
Quote, "Exclusive: Suicide Bomb Teams Sent to U.S., Europe
June 18, 2007 4:45 PM
Large teams of newly trained suicide bombers are being sent to the United States and Europe, according to evidence contained on a new videotape obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com.
Teams assigned to carry out attacks in the United States, Canada, Great Britain and Germany were introduced at an al Qaeda/Taliban training camp graduation ceremony held June 9.
A Pakistani journalist was invited to attend and take pictures as some 300 recruits, including boys as young as 12, were supposedly sent off on their suicide missions."
Is it true story? I believe so. It's a news from "reliable" mainstream media: ABC. They even invited journalist taking pictures as evidence. But the whole event is a well planned plot. To justify massive terror attacks in Europe and US. Here is my analysis.
1. To convince tamed sheep the news is reliable,a journalist was invited. Have ever heard that covert work to be drum beaten and trumpet blown? Have you ever heard of that CIA, KGB, Mossad .... all secret organization in the world hold a ceremony for their special mission team? It means: "Please get ready to arrest the men we will send to you." Will a bandit have a news announcement before they rob a bank?
2. Even American citizens have problem with their government in travel across the board, many of them were in "no fly" list. How can Al Qaida send large team to wherever they want to go?
3. Taliban lost its own rule in Afghanistan, Al Qaida run cave to cave. They can't even take care of themselves. How can they do whatever they want in abroad?
4. If Al Qaida have nuclear weapon or other WMD weapon, why don't use it in Mid-east where there is US army Base everywhere? And to transfer weapon and militants to US and Europe is much more difficult and dangerous than to use it in Iraq and Afghan.
5. This news proved my allegation. The leadership of Al Qaida or Taliban or insurgence are the informants of the Western intelligence. They work for the interest of the Inside Group. They recruit discontented people, train them into militants, insurgents, or suicide bombers. We are familiar with this tactic. (A typical sample is Miami terror cell. Poor, innocent, discontented people were recruited. Then instructed by FBI informant to swear royal to Al Qaida and plan attack to FBI office.) In Mid-east, they were trained as suicide-bomber. As you have seen, the suicide bomb target were always innocent people in the market place or the new Iraqi police. On the purpose to provoke a civil war. For the propaganda interest of US intelligence, they now had an education ceremony of the suicides and invite journalist to take photograph despite the danger for its own recruited fighters.
Watch the date of this news: 6/18. After the failure of 6/15 plot, they rapidly develop a new one. I think the "terror attack" will be around 7/4 the independence day. The Feds used to find excuse for the "enemy". And it will be massive suicide bombings in Europe and US.
I felt this two weeks ago. Feds poisoned the food in nearby small oriental super market. I had a severe cough these days. It was a result of food contaminated by radioactive material. The purpose is to force me to the big shopping center to buy food where a bombing will be more justified. I have experienced the same tactic last year. Only the Holiday was not Independence Day but Christmas shopping season. (see "448. Highway 680 pass-over bridge was a bomb target (11/15/06)" and "453. November Surprise (12/5/06)")
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495, Murder tactic, bombing the shopping center (7/8/07)
In my message #493 posted on 6/28, I warned possible massive terror attack in Europe and US. Next day and the day after (6/29 and 6/30), there were three bombing case in UK. I think it belongs to the July 4th plot I warned.
That three cases obviously are terror propaganda from intelligence.
1. The two car bombs found in London were loaded with gasoline, nails and gas canisters. It would have caused significant casualty had it exploded. If the third car in Glasgow Airport packed with same thing, the result would be disastrous. But it only caught a fire. Why? Did the terrorist care about the innocent passengers' lives? No, it's because the operator was inside the car. He cared about his own life.
2. If it was a terror attack with a flaming car, one man was enough. Drove a car and crashed it into a terminal, then ignite the gasoline. It's that simple. What was that second man for? Nothing but a "reliable" witness intelligence needed.
3. A typical terror cell created in this way: An informant, disguised as anti - Western fighter, recruit discontented people. In Mid-east, they become insurgents or Al Qaida. In Western, they become terror cell. These people, usually become sacrifice in the plot planned by intelligence.
I think the driver of that Jeep Cherokee is such a sacrifice. He was seriously burned and could die of it. The other one, is a living evidence. In Mardrid bombing, the suicide bombers carelessly left a phone to identify themselves. In 911 attack, the passport of suicide team leader Atta survived the impact and fire. It proved that Arabs attacked US. The unhurt man in Glasgow case plays the role of Atta's passport and forgotten phone.
4. Media has different attitude on different case. It may reflect the attitude of the intelligence. VT shooting case is the worst camp killing in US history. In less than a week, the news about it completely disappeared from the media. They wish people forget it forever. Three bombing case in UK result no death, (improved tactic?) The media keep it alive until now. Each day there is a new development. "Eight in custody for British attacks", "Suspects all in medical field", and recent one, "Two suspects sought to work in US".
That is their real purpose - to justify terror attack in US. Since 7/7/05 London bombing, I always alleged it was a cover up work to justify the real bombing coming up later in US. The real target is me. Though the bombing is in the name of terror attack on Independence Day, the tactic is to lure me to the big shopping center by cheap food so that a murder fulfilled in a "terror attack". The recent ads from nearby supermarket full of the food I used to buy. All with good price rarely seen these days. Of course, I dare not go to the trap. I stay home on stored food.
Then I saw this message.
Quote, "FBI: Suicide Bombs a Big Concern
PAT MILTON Wed, Jul. 04, 2007 The Associated Press
NEW YORK - Suicide bombers have not hit the United States since the 9/11 terrorist hijacking attacks, but they remain a constant concern because of their prevalence around the globe and determination to die for their causes, according to the FBI's chief of counterterrorism.
Billy, the FBI assistant director in charge of counterterrorism, made his comments during a rare wide-ranging interview with The Associated Press, days before the failed car bombing in London and the airport bombing in Glasgow."
The interview was made days before 6/29. It was for July 4th plot. Notice that Associated Press issued it on July 4. It means though National Holiday is over, the bombing plot will continue. So when there is a bombing happens in US, check if it is in North San Jose or its nearby area. I have to go out shopping anyway.
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To make a secret deal under table, then to cover up it by a dispute in appearance, it's a trick often played by the secret police. Another typical story is the death of Litvinenko. Litvinenko was killed by radioactive poison. It creates public panic on radioactive material so bombing Iran nuclear site is justified. It also creates a dispute between Russian and U.K. to cover up a secret deal between western and eastern. What is the secret deal? A dirty bomb attack or nuclear bomb attack on Europe or US. The radioactive material or the nuclear bomb will come from Russia. A dispute in appearance makes a cover up. People won't suspect there is a conspiracy behind the scene.That was November plot. (see "451. The death of former Russian spy (11/25/06") It was soured then but now is revived.
In early July Russian leader Putin visited Bush family's Main home. I allege a secret deal have been reached there.
1. A hostility cover up created. On July 14, Putin tears up Arms Pact with NATO. They successfully run up a dispute event.
2. In July, UK ousted 4 Russian diplomats based on Litvinenko's case. After seven months, Litvinenko's case revived again.
3. Though it seems Russia's relations with West hit a new low point, it is only a fake mask. In July, Russia is granted to host the next Winter Olympic game. It is a pre-payment for the secret deal. Too familiar with it that UK was granted to host 2012 Olympic game on 7/6/05, next day (7/7) the first bombing in London broke off. And China was granted the host of 2008 Olympic in 2001 after it signed secret deal with the Feds to frame a big drug case in US.
4. An unusual massive preconception psychological operation in domestic. Here are some major operations: On 7/10, Homeland Security Chief M. Chertoff warned terror attack based on his gut feeling. On 7/11, Government Report Concludes Al Qaeda Now as Strong as in Summer of 2001. Then came with 50 seconds' Bin Laden's tape calling for "martyrdom". The latest is the yesterday's (7/17) "Grim view of terror threat" from National Intelligence Estimate which suggests the threat of terrorist violence against the US is growing worse. You see, another terror attack is ready.
Psychological propaganda has been done. Here is a pre-warning of the planned nuke terror:
Quote, "AMERICAN HIROSHIMA
Expert: Nuke terror better than even bet Attack likely to exploit existing network of cross-border human, drug traffickers Posted: July 6, 2007
Though the article issued on 7/6, I learned it yesterday. When circumstance evidences show Feds prepared a nuke attack, that article strengthens the idea. So I clicked on it for the original one. I surprisingly found it was the same site that had predicted the VT camp violence. (see "494. Preconception, a tactic of the Feds (9)(7/3/07)). It seems that I have found the original preconception source of the Feds. Read #494 and watch the reference articles from worldnetdaily. You'll understand how Feds manipulate public's mind.
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I believe Feds have planned another big plot in July. They would have framed a drug case in Bay area, then distracted it by a big terror attack - a dirty bomb attack or a nuclear bomb attack. And finally would have started war against Iran.
1. From 7/2 to 7/8, in three big Chinese newspaper of San Francisco Bay Area, FBI had a continued ads: "FBI, to protect the freedom and democracy of our country..... We particularly welcome those who know very well about the Chinese State Security Dept. to contact us. If you don't understand English, our English speaking investigator will help you. Please call (415) 553-6400 or write to: FBI, P.O. Box 36015, San Francisco, CA. 94103. Contact Hao Shi." The ads shocked the Chinese community in San Francisco area. It remained as a hot issue in the first two weeks in Chinese media.
If you have read my previous articles about the Virginia Tech. case, you know what is it.
1. Demonize. Either a Chinese mass killer, or Chinese spies, it used to demonize that Chinese are evil, a pre-conception for a drug case which Chinese will be involved. 2. Cover up. The most direct cover up on the relationship between Chinese State Security Dept. and FBI. As a matter of fact, the two are the partners in secret deal to frame the drug case.
Be noticed that the ads was from the FBI office in San Francisco Bay area. The targets are Chinese. Think of the origin news about the VT shooting gunman was "a Chinese from Shanghai via San Francisco."
2. I have said that July terror attack would be a nuclear attack. (see #497.) Here are other development.
On 7/16, a magnitude 6.8 earthquake stroke a Japanese city Kashiwazaki. What caught my eye in news was a map which showed a nuclear power plant near the site. Was it used for a nuclear pollution panic? Though the first day news said there was no leakage, the later news was different.
Quote, "Level of damage raised at Japan nuclear plant" (S.J. Mercury News, 7/19/07) "Radioactive leak lasted three days The indefinite shut down of the world's most powerful electricity generating facility raised serious fears of a summer power shortage." (S.J. Mercury News, 7/20/07)
So that was why the earthquake took place in Kashiwazaki - where there is the world's most powerful nuclear power plant. It was the time when Feds prepared for a nuclear terror attack and war on Iran. If everything went on to their plan, a nuclear pollution would have been propagated and war on Iran would be justified.
( I always think Pentagon has had the technique of earthquake. I have said in "324. Tsunami (6/27/05)"
1. US has developed such technique to create an earthquake and tsunami. Cohen had talked about it as early as 1997, though he blamed the "others". Re: "Others are engaging even in an eco type of terrorism, whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes or volcanos remotely, through the use of electromagnetic waves." American Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, April 1997.
"Iran to allow inspectors into nuclear facility" (Mercury News, 7/14/07)
Though the media played it a small news, it was a big one actually.
Iran resisted U.N. inspection on its nuclear cite for a long time. Even bear the punishment to be sanctioned economically. Iran thought it was their sovereignty. What made it to do such a big compromise?
With my own observation, I have concluded that in July, Feds would frame a drug case, made a false flag "terror attack" to distract, and with which US would activate Iran war. Iran, as a state, has its own intelligence. Iran, too, realized an attack from US was imminent in July. It had to make a concession.
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Kat, you do have some very good thoughts which get my standing ovation. The problem is, you apparently are a new member. It is not ok to post to your own thoughts on this site. It isn't ok to post to yourself.
I'm not criticizing you at all, but other members will, if you haven't already noticed. I read the topic and last post, as usual for me. I have made the same mistake you are, forgetting to get to know the people here.
Kat, you are a very intelligent person. Please consider the people here have known each other a long time. I hope you stay!
Sorry members and Kat, I couldn't edit my original post and had to make one the next day.
DG, you were a nice guy that I liked. I looked at the membership of the individual in question, which is maybe six months.
When did you stop being that fun guy I liked since buying this site? When did you criticise a six month member for not knowing what all of us do since Jeeve's shut down.
I know who you were. I know who you are. Don't make it change what I always liked about you.
I really do like DG. He was a fun and nice guy. I miss him deeply, as others do.
uh, Wildflower, Kathaksung registered on December 11, 2005. On December 11, 2006, he had been a member for exactly on year (12 months). Today is August 5, 2007. It almost 8 months since his first anniversary. One year and 8 months is 20 months, much closer to 24 months (2 years) than to 6 months. Get a calendar and do the math.
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I don't think it worth that much to discuss about the history of my membership. I think every member should have right to express his opinion, even he is new.
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The real terrorist
The war on terror is created by the Inside group. It is a terror war on people. Al Qaida is a puppet tool of US intelligence. A lot of people have recognized 911 was a false flag "terror attack". That's why you saw 911 attack targetted at civilians, even the victims in Pentagon were mostly civilian staffs and contractors. The Bali bombing targetted civilians' night club. Madrid bombing targetted at civilians, so did London bombing. And most evident case are the bombing case in Iraq. Al Qaida used to bomb the market, causing hundreds deaths of innocent people. All the bombers died in attack, no one survived. We were told by government they were Al Qaida. Is that too convenient to attribute all the crimes to someone unknown? This government can do whatever they want. For what reason Al Qaida focus at innocent people? There is only one reason: to instigate the indignation so the ruling class can get whatever they want.
Can Iraq return to peace? Yes, if CIA and Pentagon controlled Insurgence and Al Qaida stopping to attack people. But then US has no reason to stay in Iraq. Remember, they need troops there for more war: Iran and Iraq.
Can US remain safe? Yes, if US and Israel intelligence stopped activate false flag terror attack at people. But then the Inside Group lost its way to squeeze power and money from people.
I need power and money, you don't give me? All right, then taste 911 attack, anthrax attack, DC sniper shooting spree. ...... You have to approve "Patriot Act", "Iraq war authorization Bill", double Pentagon Budget, release military fund for Iraq......
They can achieve victory at any time if they needed (by stopping false flag attack) to save its popularity and win President election. But they can also start "terror attack" at any time to ask for more power and money. That's the truth of US politics.
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Surge is working.... Surge failed..... tamed sheep argue in web site. The inside group is happy. They push out a general to flame the debate to make it a soap play.
The fact is: the surge is for Iran war. Bush needs more troops for the war so they invent a "surge". That's what you saw in follow stage:
1. When Democrates who newly controlled the House and said they would fight against Bush's Iraq war policy suddenly surrendered in May and released the Iraq war fund to Bush. The Inside group has made up their mind to start war on Iran. The politicians follow up the order.
2. The troops were increased in Iraq the following month. It was planned to be used for Iran war but the surge is in the name to surpress the insurgence in Iraq.
3. When the troops was ready, there was a three months plan for the war. (July to September)
(1) Bush needs an excusee to attack Iran. A massive terror attack will justify it.
(2) The terror attack is likely a dirty bomb attack or a real nuclear bomb attack. To justify the source of nuclear material, they had a secret deal with Russia. Russian leader Putin was invited to Bush's private ranch in Main in early July. After that, Russian escalates its cold war action by sending its strategy bombers to Guan and England. It's an operation to cover up the secret collaberation of two countries.
(3) The terror attack was planned in early September. That's why we saw terror case in Germany and Bin Laden released his tape at that time. We also knew the inside group planned to make a fortune in stock market on that terror attack .
4. When that plan seems go soured, they let out a general to prolong the stay of US troops in Iraq. The Inside group still prepare for another new plan.
It's a pitty to see the tame sheep busy to debate on surge - a fake issue.
Here is their three month plan: Re: U.S. Terror Attack - 'Ninety Days at Most'
Jul 02 10:20:33 2007 Counterterrorism expert Juval Aviv spoke with FOX Fan Central about what Americans can do to protect themselves in case of a terror attack.
Do you believe another terrorist attack is likely on American soil?
I predict, based primarily on information that is floating in Europe and the Middle East, that an event is imminent and around the corner here in the United States. It could happen as soon as tomorrow, or it could happen in the next few months. Ninety days at the most.
I feel that our individual rights have been stripped in the name of 'terrorism'. This leaves me wondering which is more dangerous, our government or terrorist? Personally, I fear our own US government.
I am shocked at our own people supporting Nazi type of government in the name of 'terrorism'. Police can now search our cars and homes. It is legal to listen in on our personal phone calls. I find it extremely invasive that I actually had to take my shoes off to get on an airplane. Why are we giving up Constitutional Rights in the name of 'terrorism'?
There really are terrorist that will strike, but when and where? While the US government is stripping our rights, are they going to pay me for staying home from work because this may be a good place for a terrorist strike, like the many people employed at the Twin Towers? Don't think so!
Government created fear to justify taking more control of our people.
502. Warrantless surveillance and August plot (8/13/07)
I think the new law that allowed warrantless surveillance target on me.
In early May, 2002, I wrote "65. Birthday Party on May 3 (5/10)", revealed Feds had a plot on May 3 that year. In later May, two people in my lane - one was my tenant, the other was the landlady of a house, suddenly moved away at same time. They both came from China. (There are four house units in the lane. Feds put two Chinese secret agents in two units) Then in August, news reported that former A.G. Ashcroft was rebuked by FISA judges for cheating in May. I then knew I was under the surveillance of FISA warrant. I started to realize how important the Fourth Amendment is to innocent people. It protects them from unreasonable search and arrest from corrupt agents. (see "86. FISA Secret Court ruling")
Still continuously I am under surveillance, legally or illegally. Feds must have created a lot of justification to renew the warranty. This time, after the big attempt in April, (marked with Virginia Tech massacre) they may exhaust their cheating tactics. Feds, with the help of its resource in legislative, passed a law to do surveillance without the monitor of the court.
Be mind that law is not only effect on a small number people who related to terrorist. Most Americans have computers and surf the internet. Feds have plenty resource of controlled "terrorists". Or anytime they can get help from collaboration of foreign secret police to frame a case. That means, almost every Americans faces unreasonable search and arrest if Feds wanted. (by a message from "terrorist" to your e-mail or web-site you go) They give themselves an unrestricted power.
It is not only an eavesdropping or wiretapping. It also means surveillance which can lead to unreasonable search and arrest. Do you know what surveillance is? To my experience, it also come with harassment and persecution - radiation of unknown EM wave ray; poisoned food; provocation between family members..... various trap to a framed case.
"Enemy combatants" in Guantanamo are ripped the right to access for legal help. They could be jailed all their life. The new warrantless law does the same thing actually. Every Americans is ripped off the protect of Fourth Amendment. You could be under surveillance any time the Feds wanted without any protect of the law.
I e-mailed a petition to California Senators Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein on 8/8. No confirmation e-mail received so far. An e-mail to Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren was rejected as not deliverable. But a reaction from Feds was very swift. Next day on 8/9, my wife said she would have a trip to Peru between 8/16 to 8/22. My brother and one of my sister will go with her. If you still remember, in mid April my wife has just taken a sudden trip too (the plot marked with VT shooting case)
On same day, (8/9) the neighborhood landlord had a yard work team come. He said he would have his yard re-modeled, including repair the fence between us. The work will last till the end of the month.
One of murder tactic of Feds is travel accident. Each big plot always came with this program. So they prepare again the death for part of my family members. As for me, you can expect that yard work team is a specially trained team. And you know what special skill they have had. The plot time should be between 8/16 to 8/22. For the rest of my family member, there is other traps waiting for them.
503. Earthquake in Peru (8/18/07)
Then there was an earthquake in Peru on 8/15. Of course I view it as part of the August plot. It would be used to justify a tour accident.
That night, I asked my wife what time tomorrow would she leave home for Peru. She happily said, "No, we won't go. Don't you know there is just a 7.5 earthquake in Peru?" Her happy expression revealed it was not a trip she likes to go. I was puzzled. Was it a big coincidence that an earthquake taken place the day before the trip? To my opinion, the quake was created to justify a tour accident, not to cancel that planned trip. Did I make a mistake?
I didn't make mistake. Later that night, after several call, my wife said she still would go. She said the tour guider from Lima confirmed nothing serious happened there. Everything was OK. She left next morning.
Was everything OK in Lima? We now know the earthquake was 8-magnitude not 7.5. The death toll increased to more than 500. I knew there were several tour bus accidents in Peru before. Now you know how reasonable Feds has made it for an mountainous road accident after that big quake. Everything was on Feds' plan.
So was my neighborhood. After the landlord informing me the yard work last week, they suddenly disappeared. The neighbor house emptied for seven days. On earthquake day of 8/15, a yard work team came to dismantle the fence between my backyard and their's. On 8/16, workers used my backyard as their access path. I had to go out to tell them I wouldn't allow them entering my yard.
My daughter, has been home on her summer vacation for more than two months, will leave for a trip too. (8/18 to 8/22?) So these four days, I was home alone.
What about my other sisters and relatives? Between 8/31 and 9/3, the Bay Bridge will be closed for three days. This is a tactic repeated many times. (see their purpose at #433, 482) In less than a year, Feds closed the Bay Bridge for three times. All related to a framed case. I allege at that time ( the end of August or early September), there will be a framed drug case occurring in San Francisco, followed by massive terror attack on US soil. (one will be a tunnel bombing in San Francisco Bay)
That's the whole plan of Feds August plot. (from 8/15 to 9/3) A similar one was the 2005 September plot. (marked with hurricane Katrina) In which the action date was 9/24 - the landing day of Hurricane Rita. Feds had arranged a Vietnam trip for my wife between 9/22 - 9/29/05, so she wouldn't be home on 9/24. And another East Coast trip for my brother and one of my sister (whom this time are in trip of Peru) between 9/10 - 9/17/05. The coincidence was there was a hurricane Ophilia developed in East Coast at same time on 9/10. The Ophilia went along the East Coast for several days then disappeared when my relatives left East Coast for Canada. (see #339, 342, 345)
In these typical cases, Feds both organized murderous tour for my relatives. And activated with their new natural disaster weapon. In 2005, it was hurricane. This time it was earthquake. Both were on top grade. (Hurricane is category 5, the quake is on 8 magnitude) The climate weapon now is a ripe skill for Feds. Remember the earthquake in Kashiwazaki just one month ago (7/16)? It occurred there because there is the most powerful nuclear power plant of the world. At the purpose to push for a nuclear pollution panic. (see #499)
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Kat, are you sure this it the work of the US government? I don't mean to say your concerns are not reasonable. I do think that may be a bit suspicious and afraid. So am I!
These aren't actual people listening to our phone calls, just voice recognition computers programed for key words. I can't know that for fact, but the technology does exist.
Our country still doesn't secure our borders. I believe they now fear what action was lacking for years. The problem is now being overly corrected with suspicion on all.
If the US government really wanted you, they would easily have you in for questioning. I hate the fact that our government has been too lax with immigration and correcting the problem with means that I do not find reasonable to our people.
I suggest that you stop watching your neighbors. You couldn't know why they left. They may have bought a house or got a better price on rent.
Am I the only one here who is getting just a little sick and tired of hearing about this garbage day in and day out?
Sometimes I think that people must live for this stuff. Frankly, I've heard enough of it to last me a lifetime. Kind of like country music. If you listen to enough of it, it all sounds the same after a while, ya know? Then, before long, you come to dread hearing any more of it.
God, I can't wait until this war is over, so we can finally change the station, and begin thinking of something else for a change!
The US government never did declare an official 'war' on Afghanistan or Iraq. It's not going to be 'over' in the near future.
This is an ethical decision. It is fact that our own US government, with aid of the UK, utilized military force for the destruction of two Arab governments, Iraq and Afghanistan.
What do we, the people of US and UK, owe the masses of Arabic people of Iraq and Afghanistan? They have no government at all, if they ever really did have anything reasonable to their people.
Do we leave? Should we stay? What is the ethical choice?
