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More insubordination from the courts... 'A federal judge in California said Wednesday that the wiretapping law established by Congress was the “exclusive” means for the president to eavesdrop on Americans, and he rejected the government’s claim that the president’s constitutional authority as commander in chief trumped that law...' Judge Rejects Bush’s View on Wiretaps Don't they realise who's king?
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(Almost?) nobody is against the monitoring of calls by government to save lives.
The point is that there was a system set up under which the US government is supposed to act. This system barely restrained the government at all - permission for taps could be granted retroactively, after the fact, and was almost never withheld.
What Bush did was go outside the established FISA system - pushing the envelope of presidential power apparently for the sake of pushing the envelope of presidential power, and not in order to save lives.
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LR, if you paid attention to what was happening, you'd know that it is an accepted fact that bush and company went outside the FISA system, despite the fact that retroactive warrants were standard. (I remember reading that, of the few thousand cases in which bu did follow the law, only requests were denied.) The administrations claim that FISA hampered the pursuit of terrorists by handcuffing our intelligence agencies was a bald lie, and even most right-wing news media have admitted it.
I just checked, and the definition of "discussion' doesn't include any refusal to admit known facts.
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