07-20-06, 05:54 PM
DorianGreyed
"There is a civil war going on in Iraq." - Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, Thursday, July 20, 2006


No shinola, Sherlock. How very observant of you. This ranks with "If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure," spoken by Vice President Dan Quayle, to the Phoenix Republican Forum, March 1990. These guys get paid with tax dollars.
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10-31-06, 08:40 PM
newnickname
Misfired "joke" of the week:

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." John Kerry, talking to students in California.

('The president demanded an apology, and some furious military bloggers also pounced, calling Mr Kerry a disgrace.

Senator Kerry came out swinging in response, saying he had botched a joke aimed at the president - and that he would apologise to no-one for his criticism. But his tough talk reminded me of an old political maxim: If you're explaining, you're losing.')
11-01-06, 08:32 AM
aminator2002
What an idiot... way to blow the midterm wave of good feelings for Democrats John.
11-01-06, 08:50 AM
Professor
A CNN tv report said that in Kerry's original scripted remarks, the joke was supposed to say, "...get us stuck in Iraq...", i.e., a jab at the president & his advisers -- not the armed forces. What a difference a syllable makes! That was the "botched" component of the joke. It was lame to begin with, but harmless as scripted.

So if that's true, why isn't Kerry simply explaining what he meant to say , apologizing for the misstatement, and moving on? Getting defensive and hostile is not how you do damage control.
11-01-06, 12:23 PM
Scotty

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At issue is Kerry's comment, to a group of California students on Monday, that people unable to succeed in the U.S. educational system would likely "get stuck in Iraq." Kerry says he merely botched a speech line written to be critical of Bush, while Republicans seized on it as evidence of troop-bashing by the Democratic party's 2004 presidential nominee.



When you get caught with your pants down, any excuse will do, huh?
11-01-06, 12:39 PM
Lighteningrodd
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/10/kerry_digs_a_de.html

Seems that Sen. Kerry's follow up statement didn't help matters either.
11-01-06, 02:00 PM
JohnGalt

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Originally posted by Professor:
Getting defensive and hostile is not how you do damage control.


It is when you feel you are superior to the lowly, unwashed, uneducated commoners.
11-01-06, 02:04 PM
newnickname
That's a perceptive comment about Kerry 'fighting the last war'. His bitterness over his 'Swift-Boating' might explain, but not excuse, his aggressive over-reaction.
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11-01-06, 03:34 PM
aminator2002
(Long part not o this point left out here - DG)

That being said, Kerry is an elitist snob that never did appeal to many who voted for him. He had the LEAST difficult job to do to win the election from Bush and he failed. He is a miserable possibility for a candidate in 2008 and I wish he'd just keep his mouth shut to not ruin the Democrats chances of getting a real candidate elected in 2008.

Obama in 2008.
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11-01-06, 03:55 PM
JohnGalt

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Originally posted by aminator2002:
I think he honestly (and probably many of us don't disagree) thinks that many of the people currently serving in the military didn't have the same opportunities that others in this country have by way of economic status or academic discipline.


If that's the case, then Kerry needs to stop believing this particular big lie that the left has been shamelessly pushing for years.
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newnickname
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Posted 11-02-06 09:35 AM Hide Post
The handbook also says, "Focus on the freshman class because they will have the highest dropout rate. They often lack both the direction and funds to fully pursue their education."

So, while Bush & Co are working themselves up into a lather because Kerry could be taken to have implied that college dropouts join the army, the army is actively looking for college dropouts.

I see Kerry has finally had the sense to apoligise and shut up - Embattled Kerry seeks low profile.
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11-18-06, 01:47 AM
Wildflower63
Too long of a thread for me to read it all and pay attention. Bin Laden's family has been a family friend and business partner of the Bush family for many years.

I have never voted Democrat in my life. I'm not exactly impressed with my own choice, Republican. One thing I have debated friends with is the fact that Bin Laden will never be found. Everything really is about money and politics and don't think I'm saying Democrats are any different.

Why is it that Saddam was found alive, the top dog, leader of Iraq, but our government just can't find Bin Laden? For political and financial reasons, he will never be found. My apology for not spelling names right!

Our government really is corrupt and Democrats aren't any better.
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Posted 09-26-07 03:51 PM Hide Post
I think the dumbest statement of the week was when Ahmadinejad said that there weren't any homosexuals in Iran.
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newnickname
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Posted 09-29-07 11:41 AM Hide Post
Back to Ahmadinejad: The Bollinger/Ahmadinejad farce
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FredPuli
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Posted 10-20-07 09:02 AM Hide Post
Here's a contribution. Sorry it's not about Iraq or the Administration Wink

The Irish Times has reported the arrest of a thief. The gardai [police] told the man that he'd been arrested because he had been identified. The man replied " That's nonsense! I was wearing a balaclava and gloves" Roll Eyes As denials go, that does lack a certain something Big Grin [A balaclava is a knitted,tight fitting, hood which covers the whole head leaving just a slit for the eyes]
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So, the evidence indicates that there have been posts that were not anti-bush or anti-Republican, and a few that were making fun at Democrats. It is certainly true that most of them have been anti-bush, but anti-administration sentiment has been part of the US political scene since John Adams. (Besides, we just have so much more to choose from.) Try to keep up, Scotty; these may be on the test.


By the way, Scotty, you posted quite a few about Democrats, specifically Al Gore. Of course, you failed to mention that they were really spoken by Dan Quayle. But at least you tried. You even gave credit to the source where apparently you get your political knowledge:
This is where it came from.

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Funstuff, Cartoons and Poems

Of course, you claim to have intentionally credited the wrong person. That is apparently your idea of humor: taking stupid statement and attributing them to someone else.

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Of course, you claim to have intentionally credited the wrong person. That is apparently your idea of humor: taking stupid statement and attributing them to someone else.

Yep! And Sooooo? Did it get your goat?

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Funstuff, Cartoons and Poems

There's a clue in the above. Can you put your finger on it?

"Did it get your goat?"

Hardly. I thought it was funny, and so typical of you, that you fell for something, anything, that seemed to be on your side, and, once again, you failed to look into it and ended up wrong, exactly wrong. Let's face it, Scotty. your accuracy rating makes even Republicans wince.

I repeat.

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Funstuff, Cartoons and Poems


There's a clue in the above. Can you put your finger on it?

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Hardly. I thought it was funny, and so typical of you, that you fell for something, anything, that

As usual, there you go assuming again. Only you have no clue.
You are the only one here that Ass u mes he can do no wrong. Now that is funny. No! More than funny, side splitting to be exact.

Will everyone who thinks that Scotty knew that that it was Quayle and not Gore saying those things when he posted them please raise your hands?

Talking of accuracy, the dumbness in that Harry Reid quote may be in the reporting:

'“One reason why we have the fires in California is global warming,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told reporters Tuesday, stressing the need to pass the Democrats’ comprehensive energy package.

Moments later, when asked by a reporter if he really believed global warming caused the fires, he appeared to back away from his comments, saying there are many factors that contributed to the disaster.'

There's no conflict in saying that global warming is 'one reason' for the fires, and then that there are 'many factors'. The two statements compliment each other. But maybe he said the second one in a specially shifty, liberal kind of way.

Of course it is kind of dumb to attribute individual events or a particular season's weather to global warming. Global warming is a trend; a slow process that we don't ordinarily notice, day to day, although its effects may eventually be huge.

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Will everyone who thinks that Scotty knew that that it was Quayle and not Gore saying those things when he posted them please raise your hands?

Oh Please, give me a break. Can't you see the site it came from? Believe what your little mind tells you, I could care less. I am getting a little tired of your BS though. You seem to be back in grade school with your insults and the need to have other people agree with you. Can't you be a man and support your stupidity by yourself.

Please help me gang up on Scotty, I can hardly stand to be alone. Were you a loner in school, DG? Do you have to have the support of your peers? I don't, because I am man enough to take you on myself.

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Funstuff, Cartoons and Poems

Again, I ask you master brain. Do you see a clue in the site posted? Maybe you take this seriously.
You are just fortune that the people on this board are liberal atheists that support your way of thinking . You would be in big trouble on other boards. Especially military boards.

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There's no conflict in saying that global warming is 'one reason' for the fires, and then that there are 'many factors'. The two statements compliment each other. But maybe he said the second one in a specially shifty, liberal kind of way.

Two words..........BS.

Actually, Scotty, I was asking them to support you.

"Were you a loner in school, DG? "


There you go with the jokes again. This one may be your best.

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You are just fortune that the people on this board are liberal atheists that support your way of thinking . You would be in big trouble on other boards. Especially military boards.

Big Trouble? Aren't these a discussion of ideas? Now who is taking things too seriously? And what do atheists have to do with all this? Calm down before you start sputtering.

Are there any conservative atheists on these boards ? Or anywhere else? Inquiring minds want to know!! Or is that just another liberal trait??

I was wondering the same thing, Frank. Are there any conservative atheists? I suspect that there are, but they don't let that out for fear of losing there membership in the club.

Frank, 'the further to the left the further from religion' seems the general rule.Mere speculation, of course ( ) but religion saves people thinking time: they can idly accept what priests tell them to do, God's word , conveniently explained by the priests. Furthermore religion is conservative, in the true sense: it claims to have authority based on what has always been done and understood, so change is contrary to it. When they bother to think for themselves people inevitably become more 'liberal' And, inevitably, they are bound to adjust their thoughts according to changes in the world over time.

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Or is that just another liberal trait??

Possibly.

Actually it has been my experience over the years to realize that the people that make it a habit of insulting others in an otherwise decent discussion, are usually people with an inferiority complex. They tend to try and make others feel inferior to them, but it doesn't work with me, because I have made my way in life, and I do not feel inferior to anyone.

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"Were you a loner in school, DG? "


There you go with the jokes again. This one may be your best.

Well you certainly act like you need others to support you, maybe this is part of your inferiority complex.

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Frank, 'the further to the left the further from religion' seems the general rule.Mere speculation, of course ( ) but religion saves people thinking time: they can idly accept what priests tell them to do, God's word , conveniently explained by the priests.

I don't buy this for a moment. In fact I find it kind of ridiculous. Mere speculation.

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I don't buy this for a moment. In fact I find it kind of ridiculous. Mere speculation.

We are all well aware of the sort of things you: "don't buy this for a moment". Now, in the interest of continuing the "decent discussion" form of this thread, could you possibly present some actual argument as to why you hold the opinions you express?? Answers like: "ridiculous", "rubbish", "mere speculation", etc. are probably some of the reasons you're less than successful in convincing others to take you seriously? You're not helping the conservative, religious, or republican cause by avoiding the argument with silly tu quo que responses. IMHO.

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Are there any conservative atheists on these boards ? Or anywhere else?

How about Christopher Hitchens? Of course, that raises the question of what 'conservative' means. Hitchens is more one of those 'neo-con' types.

I think that it should be obvious that I really don't believe that religious people idly accept what the Priest tells them without thinking for themselves. I don't know of anyone that fits that category.

It is indeed obvious what you believe, Scotty. What I was asking was, "What is the basis of that belief? Why do you think that is the case? What do you consider to be evidence supporting it?"

Here's what I mean for example. I believe that Fred is right in his hunch, if you will, that the further to the left - the further from religious beliefs. In support of my belief that that is the case: I am reluctant to bring up the subject of belief or non-belief among strangers because it produces unnecessary controversy. When I get to know people a little better and find them to be politically or philosophically "liberal", I usually assume that they are atheist, agnostic, or, at least, tolerant of reasonable arguments pro and con. Almost without exception, I am not surprised by their reaction or response.

That does not prove that atheists are always liberal, nor that liberals are usually atheist, but I'm sure there is a symbiotic relationship and I am not the only person in the world who thinks so! As to conservative atheists, if that is your argument, all I can say is that I've yet to meet one. I'm not sure that Christopher Hitchens qualifies because conservatism, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.IMHO.