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Originally posted by DorianGreyed:
Afghans are not Arabs.

What race are you suggesting the people of Afghanistan are? You posted that I am wrong about the race of the people of Afghanistan as Arabic. You also failed to state exactly what race you believe they are.

Look it up! These are Arabic people, not Asian. What race did you think they were, stating I was wrong?

Race is not a real term used to describe an ethnic group. Afghans are, well, Afghans. Wikipedia explains in more detail:

Pashtuns (Pashto/Urdu/Persian: پشتون Paštūn or پختون Paxtūn, also rendered as Pushtuns, Pakhtuns, Pukhtuns), also called Pathans (Urdu: پٹھان, Hindi: पठान Paṭhān) or ethnic Afghans (Pashto: افغان Afğān)[9][10] are an Eastern Iranian ethno-linguistic group with populations primarily in eastern and southern Afghanistan and in the North-West Frontier Province, Federally Administered Tribal Areas and Balochistan provinces of western Pakistan. The Pashtuns are typically characterized by their Pashto language, their adherence to Islam[11][12] and the practice of Pashtunwali, which is viewed as a way of living.

The origins of the Pashtuns are mixed, but their language is classified as an Eastern Iranian tongue, itself a sub-branch of the Indo-Iranian branch of the greater Indo-European family of languages, and thus the Pashtuns are classified as an Iranian people,[28][29][30] possibly as partial modern-day descendants of the Scythians, an ancient Iranian group.[31] According to academic Yu. V. Gankovsky, the Pashtuns began as a "union of largely East-Iranian tribes which became the initial ethnic stratum of the Pashtun ethnogenesis, dates from the middle of the first millennium CE and is connected with the dissolution of the Epthalite (White Huns) confederacy."[32] Early precursors to the Pashtuns were Old Iranian tribes that spread throughout the eastern Iranian plateau.[33][34]

The Pashto-speaking Pashtuns refer to themselves as Pashtuns or Pukhtuns depending upon whether they are speakers of the southern dialect or northern dialect respectively. These Pashtuns compose the core of ethnic Pashtuns who are found in western Pakistan and southern-eastern Afghanistan. Many Pashtuns have intermingled with various invaders, neighboring groups, and migrants (as have the other Iranian peoples). In terms of phenotype, the Pashtuns overall are predominantly a Mediterranean people,[35] with light hair and eye colors not uncommon, especially among remote mountain tribes.

Excavation of prehistoric sites by Louis Dupree, the University of Pennsylvania, the Smithsonian Institute and others suggests that early humans were living in what is now Afghanistan at least 50,000 years ago, and that farming communities in Afghanistan were among the earliest in the world.

The people of Afghanistan have been around a very long time. Some of today's Afghans are descended from the Macedonian troops of Alexander the Great. Note that a major Afghan city, Kandahar, got its name from Alexander.

WF, if you are going to talk about something, you really should know something about it. But if you insist that Afghans are Arabs, by all means, go ahead. In fact, you should go to Afghanistan and tell the Taliban that they are Arabs. Wear a short skirt and a tight tank top. Trust me - they'll notice you.

Race is the question, not ethnic issues.

That's like saying all white people are Red Necks that breed with their relatives. Ooops! I included 'race' in that statement.

People of Afghanistan are of Arabic race!

There is no use trying to have a discussion with someone who doesn't understand the basics of what is being discussed. You fit that category.

quote:

Originally posted by DorianGreyed:
Afghans are not Arabs.

People of Afghanistan are of Arabic race! Did you actually read what you just posted?

quote:

Originally posted by DorianGreyed:
The origins of the Pashtuns are mixed, but their language is classified as an Eastern Iranian tongue, itself a sub-branch of the Indo-Iranian branch of the greater Indo-European family of languages, and thus the Pashtuns are classified as an Iranian people

What part of your post states people of Afghanistan are not of the Arabic race?

quote:

Originally posted by DorianGreyed:
There is no use trying to have a discussion with someone who doesn't understand the basics of what is being discussed. You fit that category.

You even looked it up and couldn't figure out that the people of Afghanistan were of Arabic race.

Er, Wildflower, Iranians aren't Arabs, either. They're Persians. In fact 'Iran' is another version of the word 'Aryan'.

DG, that's an interesting thought - 'Some of today's Afghans are descended from the Macedonian troops of Alexander the Great'.

There's also this - 'Persian has undergone many changes in the past two millennia, the most significant of which has most certainly been the influence of Arabic since the Islamic conquest of Persia in the year 650. Over the years, Persian has borrowed up to half of its vocabulary from Arabic as well as certain grammatical elements. This impact of Arabic is profound not only because of its magnitude but because the sounds and syntax of Arabic, a Semitic language, are so different than those of Persian.' languages.umd.edu

Surely a lot of the trouble in the world could be avoided of we kept in mind what a glorious mixture of cultures and ethnicities we all are.

Alexander's men got even farther east than Afghanistan.

The Burusho or Hunzakuts (Hunza people), are an ethnic group indigenous to the Hunza Valley, Karakorum Mountains, Northern Pakistan. The Burusho claim to be descendants of the soldiers who came to the region with Alexander the Great's army in the the 4th century BC. Many Burushos do have indeed strikingly European appearance. - Wikipedia

HISTORY OF HUNZA

Human’s 30,000 inhabitants have been ruled by the same family for 1960 years. They long believed themselves the equals of the great powers, years. Probably because of their impregnability. A legend states that the Hunzakuts, as the people of Hunza are known, are descended from five wandering soldiers from Alexander’s army. It is true that some of the people are fair- haired with blue or green eyes. In central Hunza the people speak Burushaski, Wakhi and aboriginal language.

Hunza retained its isolated independence until the British conquered it; on the fruits of caravan raids slave trading and attacking it’s neighbors. It did not become par of Pakistan until 1974, and even now the Mir of Hunza retains much of his traditional importance. The society is co-operative rather than competitive; there is remarkably little difference in the people’s weather, each family growing enough corn, apricots and walnuts for its own use. The economy used to be entirely self-sufficient, but this is rapidly changing as the Karakoram Highway opens up the valley.

Hunza was the likely model for the Shangri-La of James Hilton’s novel ‘Lost Horizon’ where he describes it as a country of peace and contentment where the people do not ago. The myth of the longevity of the Hunzakuts probably stems from the fact that it was selected by the National Geographic magazine as the kingdom where people loved longest, free from social stress and succored by their high intake of apricots and low intake of animal fat. Fruit was, and is, the staple diet. During the summer the people used to eat nothing else; in order to conserve fuel and precious cereals cooking in the summer months was forbidden. In winter the people ate flour made from apricot kernels and drank brandy distilled from mulberries, and wines from the grapes that used to grow everywhere, smothering the poplars and roofs.

You see in Hunza a large number of old people, most of them apparently in good health, but few, if any, live to be 120. Life is as hard in Hunza as it is elsewhere in the northern areas, particularly in the early spring when the supplies of stored food are running low.

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Originally posted by newnickname:
Er, Wildflower, Iranians aren't Arabs, either. They're Persians. In fact 'Iran' is another version of the word 'Aryan'.

Newnickname, I do think it is very nice of you to stick up for your friend. This happens to be a bad topic.

First, it is debated that people of Afghanistan are not Arabic. Now you are going to tell me people of Iran are European white?

These are Arabic people! They are of a differing race. Afghanistan and Iran practice the religion of Islam. This is not exactly an 'Arian' religion at all.

I have to ask! What countries do you consider to be of differing race and religion of Arabic people?

Wildflower's last post probably sounds better in the original German.

(Thanks to Bill Maher for the use of his line.)

By the way, NNN, thanks for that information about Iran/Aryan. It seems so obvious now that you point it out, but I never knew it until you did.

quote:

Arabs live throughout the world, but they are especially concentrated in a vast area extending from western Morocco to eastern Iraq. About one million Arabs have spilled across the Iraqi-Iranian border to live in Iran (which is predominantly Persian). Mostly, they inhabit the province of Khuzestan, in the southwestern corner of Iran, though some have moved to other parts of the country. Like
nearly all Arabs, the Iranian Arab speak
Arabic, a Semitic language. They speak either
the Gulf Arabic dialect or the somewhat similar Mesopotamian Arabic dialect.

The Arabs are believed to be descended from Abraham's son Ishmael. Until the seventh century A.D., they lived almost entirely in the Arabian Peninsula. In that century, the prophet Mohammed founded the religion of Islam, and the Arabs began a process of conquest that would spread them, their language, and their culture across much of Africa and Asia. As they migrated, many Arabs settled in present-day Iran.

What Are Their Lives Like?
The Iranian Arabs have remained culturally isolated from most other Iranians. They have a great variety of lifestyles. Some live in cities, some in villages. Some are poor farmers; others are wealthy businessmen.

Read this WF, you are wrong.

REF.

That's an interesting site, Scotty. I guess part of WF's problem is confusion about and between the terms 'race', 'culture', 'nationality', 'people', 'religion', 'ethnicity' and so on. They often aren't well-defined.

That site has its own term and definition: 'Ideally, "people group" would always be defined to mean (a) all individuals in the group understand each other reasonably well and (b) cultural / relationship barriers aren't so high that the transmission of the gospel is seriously impeded.'

This page - 'unreached peoples' - shows remarkable cultural/religious arrogance.

If you want to get technical, all people are the same 'race': "Homo Sapien Sapien" being the scientific name for our race.

The concept of "race among race" has been tried, tested and failed, many, many times over time.

This is basic Sociology 101 stuff. Nothing theoretical or new about it. Controversial, perhaps. But, still 100% factual until proven otherwise.

"black", "white", "hispanic", and even "arab" and "afghan" are social terms, based on general appearances and immediate cultural associations. There's nothing scientific about any of these terms, however. They're merely words used to label people. It's wrong, and it should end.

The sum of what makes us all the same is far greater than the sum of our differences!

It is wrong to label people, but in this particular case the term Arab being applied wrongly is more than just wrong in the sense of "we're all just humans" kind of way. The Muslim religion is made up of many different races of people in the same way Christianity is made up of many different races of people. If WF were to research this subject a little with an open mind, she will find that her statements in the thread are way off and more than any other subject so far argued on this site, she could really benefit from it.

quote:

Originally posted by Wildflower63:
Kat, are you sure this it the work of the US government? I don't mean to say your concerns are not reasonable. I do think that may be a bit suspicious and afraid. So am I!

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Wildflower, I do believe it's done by a rogue part of government insiders. A lot of people who seek for the 911 truth also believe so.

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504. Fence (8/23/07)

Last night my wife came back from her Peru trip. It means the first phase of August plot was over. In that phase, my relatives and I were the murder targets. The ending signal is the noise from back yard this morning. A fence has been installed hours ago. The synchronization of the events is amazing. It starts from my petition to Senators on 8/8. I think the new passed law is a violence to the Constitution. The response from Feds was swift. Next day -

8/9. ** Yard work team appeared in next house. Landlord informed me he would remodel the yard and would change the fence which separated our yards. I agreed.
** At night my wife came home said she would have a tour to Peru. (the first phase of plan starts)

8/11. Both yard workers and neighborhoods disappeared. Leave it an empty house. I then realized the seriousness of that fence affair. Feds determined to carry out the plot. They didn't leave any chance for me to recall the agreement for dismantling the fence.

8/15. ** Yard work team appeared in neighbor's yard. The fence was dismantled.
** An 8 magnitude earthquake took place in Peru. (The action of first phase starts)

8/16. ** My wife and my relatives left for Peru.
** Yard workers used my yard as their access path. I rebuked them.

8/13 and 8/18. I wrote messages #502 and 503, alleged the August plot.

8/22 ** At night my wife came back from Peru.
8/23 ** In the morning, yard worker appeared and the new fence is installed. (The first phase ended)

During the period of my wife's trip, my backyard was left open. Feds created an excuse to access my backyard. I had to write #503 to announce I didn't allow those workers access my backyard.

The fence actually can't stop a burglar. The fence is only a legal symptom to protect your privacy. Anyone surpasses it without permission is illegal. The Fourth Amendment is same thing. It's a fence of law to protect us from unreasonable search and arrest.

I thought that first phase action was a swift response from Feds to my petition on surveillance without warranty. The coincidence is when that first phase ended on 8/22, next day (this morning) Mercury News has an article about that case. "Intelligence director reveals surveillance facts, figures" (S.J.M.N. 8/23/07)

The fallacy are:
1. Quote, "McConnell confirmed for the first time that the private sector assisted with President Bush's warrantless surveillance program. AT&T, Verizon and other telecommunications companies are being sued in federal court in San Francisco for their cooperation. "Now if you play out the suits at the value they're claimed, it would bankrupt these companies," McConnell said, arguing that they deserve immunity for their help."

The point is these companies don't work with the permission of the Court. Should they practice to the law or they are outlaw?
The point is can the firm be immune from the crime they committed because it is big and famous and facing a bankruptcy? Will thus encourage more violence?
The point is the Feds has an unrestricted power now. They behaved like an outlaw. It makes firms, individuals, organizations all obeyed to it not to the law. That is dangerous to society.

2. Quote, " McConnell said it takes 200 hours to assemble a FISA warrant on a single telephone number. "We're going backwards," he said. "We couldn't keep up.""

All court cases (civil or criminal) take a long time to file. Even to buy a house, there is a long time to fulfill the procedure. It must be dealt with great care. It also takes a long procedure to recruit an agent for FBI. Have you ever heard they complain "We couldn't keep up."?

Nothing hinders Feds to do the eavesdropping. There is a three days grace period for them to re-submit the application. So they can do it any time when they think it's urgent.
What Feds want now is to be an outlaw. Do whatever they want.

Warrantless surveillance means you lost the protect of the Fourth Amendment. Without the protection of that fence, you may face unreasonable search and arrest. The 4th Amendment is set up against the corruptive law enforcement agent. Now the corrupt agent disable the law, they can intrude your house to plant and frame the case. If you still want your civil right, stand up to protect that fence.

http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html

505. Assassination, murder and terror attack (8/28/07)

The rest of the August plot started from 8/20 to September. The action date is between 8/31 to 9/3 when Feds closed the Bay Bridge. (see #503) At that time there will be massive terror attack in US and in Europe. I think that's why Karl Rove resigned in advance. His last date in office will be 8/30. So he will leave before the "Super 911". To get rid of any responsibility of involvement in false flag terror attack. As a matter of fact, he is probably one of the men who took part in the planning of the terror plot. (see #447. Karl Rove had promised an "October surprise" to Republican for Mid-term Election)

The second phase of August plot is between 8/20 to 8/29. A sub-plan to assassinate the President of Taiwan - Chen Shui-bian.

On 8/20, a China Air-line Boeing 737 caught fire after the landing in Okinawa, Japan. All 165 passengers escaped in minutes. People may impressed by the fireball that damaged the plane from TV news.

8/21 -8/29, the President of Taiwan - Chen Shui-bian, takes a trip to Central and South America to visit three countries there. His private plane is a Boeing 737-800, the same type of the plane that damaged in Okinawa and the plane is from the same company - China Air-line.

Yesterday - 8/27 - Federal regulators ordered airlines to inspect the wings of all 737 Boeing jets. The order was prompted by the China Airline accident in Japan.

It is obvious an accident created by Feds to justify the coming air plane accident of the Taiwan president. It is a payment to Chinese secret police who helps Feds to frame a drug case in San Francisco. Chen Shui-bian's life had been several times become a chip in their secret deal. (see "382. The life of the President of Taiwan as a payment (2/2/06)")

It's amazing how close the justification created to the formal trip happening in this plot.
The earthquake in Peru was on 8/15. One day before my wife's Peru trip. (8/16 - 8/22)
The Boeing 737 accident was on 8/20. One day before Chen Shui-bian's trip. (8/21 - 8/29)
This is how Feds playing the pre-conception tactic.

Then comes the third phase - the main stage.
8/30. Karl Rove will leave his office.
8/31 - 9/3. Bay Bridge will be closed for repair. I think one of my parents will be murdered by "natural cause". One of my sisters will be murdered in "terrorist tunnel bombing" when she takes Bart to visit my parents. (because the bridge was closed) And the others will be framed in a drug case.

To distract the framed drug case, there will be massive terror attacks in US, possibly a nuclear bombing or dirty bomb attack. The radioactive material, (or nuclear bomb) will come from Russia. That's why you saw recently Russian revived their cold war patrol. Their long range bomber fly to Quan and England. Russian just play their role for a secret deal. To justify the source of nuclear material.

The whole thing is a soap drama. Feds tries to play it as true as they can. Will you be a loyal audience?

From 8/25 to 8/28, for continuous four days, I was blocked to go internet.

506. The resignation of A.G. Gonzalez (9/3/07)

8/25 and 8/26 were week-ends. While I was blocked to the internet, I wonder this August plot was an unprecedented one. Feds censored my voice one week before the main action. Next day I knew why.

The news on 8/27 said Attorney General Gonzales handed his resignation to Bush on Friday.(8/24) News didn't report it until two days later when Bush accepted the resignation on 8/27. A.G. Gonzales didn't step down for the case of firing eight US attorneys. He stubbornly remained at his post despite the no confidence of the Senate. He quits without a signal.

I think Gonzalez resigned on my case. In early April, I have said the scandal of firing eight US attorneys was a cover up. His post depended on my case. Re: "He'll have one last chance to do that, and perhaps keep his job, when he testifies before the Senate Judiciary Committee on April 17" (see #477) It was an apparent intimidation from Feds to A.G. Gonzalez. April 17 was the action date of April plot. Then we saw the Virginia Tech. shooting spree on 4/16. Gonzalez maybe the one who approved the shooting case. Four months later, in late August, he may have to take the responsibility when the Virginia Tech published its investigation review (on 8/22) and other investigation report are due.

Gonzalez may also step down for the approving of August plot which related to big operations - an 8 magnitude earthquake in Peru; a secret deal with China to murder Taiwan's president; an accident of Boeing 737 in Japan; Minneapolis bridge collapse which was used to justify the shut down of Bay Bridge.

His resignation is as mysterious as the resignation of former FBI director Louis Freeh and DEA director. No reason was given in both cases. I allege all quits for framing a drug case related on me.

I was blocked to internet from 8/25, the day after Gonzalez proposed the resignation, to 8/31, the day Bay Bridge closed for repair. (Feds released the control on 8/29. So I could surf in internet whole day that day. Also there was a release of control for about one hour total on 8/26 and 27, so I could post in several web sites at that time.) There were about six days I was banned from internet. I view it as a result of my revelation. My analysis and allegation are accurate. Feds are scare of it.

The censorship is not a surveillance, it is a violence of the Constitution. I think the order is from A.G. He will leave anyway. He doesn't care to approve any illegal request of the Feds. But even for Attorney General, can he be exempt from a crime he committed?


507. The coming stock market crash (9/8/07)

In early August, when I learned that the authority would shut down Bay Bridge in Labor Day week-ends, to my experience with Feds, I knew there would be another plot planned that month, and the action date was at 8/31 to 9/3.

Then news said Karl Rove would leave his office on 8/30. People couldn't find the reason why Rove resigned at this time, they could only guess that he was leaving a sunken ship. I related it to the August plot. Because to distract a framed drug case, there would come a massive terror attack. He left the day before another "super 911", to extricate himself from the suspicion of being the mastermind of terror attack and also to lull the people into a false sense of peace that an evil brain of Bush was absent so no conspiracy was in progress.

Then there came such a news:

Quote, "$4.5 billion options bet on catastrophe within four weeks

Anybody have a clue as to what these 'investors' are expecting?
August 26, 2007

The two sales are being referred to by market traders as "bin Laden trades" because only an event on the scale of 9-11 could make these short-sell options valuable.

There are 65,000 contracts @ $750.00 for the SPX 700 calls for open interest. That controls 6.5 million shares at $750 = $4.5 Billion. Not a single trade. But quite a bit of $$ on a contract that is 700 points away from current value. No one would buy that deep "in the money" calls. No reason to. So if they were sold looks like someone betting on massive dislocation. Lots of very strange option activity that I haven't seen before.

The entity or individual offering these sales can only make money if the market drops 30%-50% within the next four weeks. If the market does not drop, the entity or individual involved stands to lose over $1 billion just for engaging in these contracts!

Clearly, someone knows something big is going to happen BEFORE the options expire on Sept. 21.

THEORIES:

The following theories are being discussed widely within the stock and options markets today regarding the enormous and very unusual activity reported above and two stories below. Those theories are:

1) A massive terrorist attack is going to take place before Sept. 21 to tank the markets, OR;

2) China, reeling over losing $10 Billion in bad loans to the sub-prime mortgage collapse presently taking place, is going to dump US currency and tank all of Capitalism with a Communist financial revolution. Either scenario is bad and the clock is ticking. The drop-dead date of these contracts is September 21. Whatever is going to happen MUST take place between now and then or the folks involved in these contracts will lose over $1 billion for having engaged in this activity.
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Bear in mind that the last time anyone conducted such large and unusual stock option trades (like this one) was in the weeks before the attacks of September 11.

Back then, they bought huge numbers of PUTS on airline stocks in the same airlines whose planes were involved in the September 11 attacks.

Despite knowing who made these trades, the Securities and Exchange Commission NEVER revealed who made the unusual trades and no one was ever publicly identified as being responsible for the trades which made upwards of $50 million when the attacks happened.

The fact that this latest activity by a single entity gambles on a complete collapse of the entire market by the third week in September, seems to indicate someone knows something really huge is in the works and they intend to profit almost $2 Billion within the next four weeks from whatever happens! This is really worrisome."

Source: Ticker Forum
http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/08/45b-bet-on-an...-within-4-weeks.html

I'll post my analysis on this stock option in next message. And besides theories 1 and 2, this group has another way, that is to sell down the market in the name of "sub-prime" crisis - a tactic they are carrying on now.

Are you serious? You are going to take me down with implication that I am racist? I'm the only one who noticed differing race and religion globally?

Quote by Valor D

"If you want to get technical, all people are the same 'race': "Homo Sapien Sapien" being the scientific name for our race. "

Sorry to be picky Val, but we are all of the same "SPECIES" not "race". Racial differences occur between the members of our species.

508. The stock market crash (2) (9/13/07)

There was also another similar trade done earlier in European stock market.

Re: "Renée Schultes
16 Aug 2007

Carry trade unwinds as yen hits one-year high

An anonymous investor has placed a bet on an index of Europe's top 50 stocks falling by a third by the end of September, as world equity markets plunged for a third day and volatility hit a three-year high.

The mystery investor has bought put option contracts on the DJ Eurostoxx 50 index that will result in a profit if it plunges to 2,800 or below by the end of September. Based on the 2,800 strike price, the position covers a notional €6.9bn, and potentially even more using a market price of about 4,100 when the trades were done on Tuesday and Wednesday.

The identity of the investor is unknown but market sources speculated it was either a large hedge fund hedging itself against deepening losses, or a long-only fund manager pressing the panic button to protect its gains.

The investor has bought a total of 245,000 put options on the index. The September put option with a 2,800 strike was the most popular DJ Eurostoxx 50 contract yesterday, according to data from Bloomberg.

http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/08/mystery-trade...rket-will-crash.html

The news was dated on 8/16. So the main trade was done on 8/15 (yesterday of 8/16). That was coincidence with the first phase of August plot. (8/15, Peru earth earthquake. 8/16, my wife's Peru travel started.) The operation of "make a fortune" started at same time of operation elimination.

Someone unknown foresaw a big stock market collapsing any time between 8/16 to the late September. It could be the result of expecting a mass terror attack. And I have alleged that kind of terror attack would happen right after the action date of 8/31 to 9/3 when Bay Bridge was shut down.(to distract a framed drug case)

This is why on 9/5, we saw two news in media, one was about terror attack and the other was about China dumping US dollars. Both were planned as the first wave of attack on stock market.

Re: "Germany arrests 3 in alleged plot on U.S. sites
By Noah Barkin and Sabine Siebold Wed Sep 5, 9:03 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070905/wl_nm/security_germany_suspects_dc

Re: China threatens `nuclear option' of dollar sales
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/...9/05/bcnchina105.xml

Then why did the Feds set the liquidate date of the stock option on 9/21 and the end of September not in early September? Because they planned a main attack on stock market in Mid-September. At that time, Federal Reserve would have a meeting to discuss about the bench mark interest rate.

Feds build up an expectation that the Federal Reserve will reduce the interest rate to save the economy which is hit by the sub prime loan crisis. If the interest rate remains unchanged or goes upwards, then it will touch off a selling wave to crash the stock market.

509. Murder the inve