1) wanted to "... be watching through the windows"
2) doesn't care if he can post on this site
or
3) has reading comprehension difficulties or is just a slow learner.
Or maybe he thought he could test me. Unfortunately for him, I generally do well on tests. -------- For the benefit of others, I will reiterate:
Do it here again, and you'll be watching through the windows. I wanted someone else to win the Democratic nomination, but regardless of who becomes any party's nominee, I will not let anyone attack any political figure because of religion or lack or it, because of skin color, because of what used to be called a mixed-race marriage, or fathering or adopting a a child of another race. I hope my position is crystal clear because this is the only time I will say it. Further comments like this by anyone will be deleted and the poster barred from the site.
Note: I am letting his post remain, partially because I was interrupted by the phone during my reply, allowing another member to post and reply to VD's last post, and partially so that others can see exactly why VD is gone.
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Posts: 17021 | Location: Lincoln Place, Granite City, IL, USA | Registered: 06-03-02
Apparently, #3 applies. Below is the entire text of VD's reply to me after he received notification of his suspension.
"What the Hell are you talking about? What have I said wrong this time?"
Note: I am not in the habit of posting complaints and/or threatening e-mails I get regarding AnswerPool. However, I feel that this situation calls for such action.
To make his situation worse, VD has just attempted to register under a more accurate name, AnswerPoolNazi. While a more apt name than one with the word "Valor" in it, he is still not welcome here.
Posts: 17021 | Location: Lincoln Place, Granite City, IL, USA | Registered: 06-03-02
The fact that Obama was once a Muslim carries with it understandable concern...
Well, so much for free speech.
#1. Obama WAS a Muslim. He was born a Muslim, and practiced it as well as other religions, his most current being some non-denominational Christian church, which, for all we know, is about as solid as an ordained minister's license in Vegas.
#2. Why isn't it something which people should be concerned with? If it's ok to be concerned about the gender, age, ethnic background, politics, and everything else about a candidate, why shouldn't their religious background be a concern as well?
#3. I would like to know why Valor was banned from the site for? And, try to make it come close to sounding legitimate this time, if you're able, DG.
The United Church of Christ (UCC) is a mainline Protestant Christian denomination principally in the United States, generally considered within the Reformed tradition, and formed in 1957 by the union of two denominations, the Evangelical and Reformed Church and the Congregational Christian Churches.
According to the 2007 yearbook, the United Church of Christ has approximately 1.2 million members and is composed of approximately 5,518 local congregations.
In 1957, the United Church of Christ formed through the union of the Evangelical and Reformed Church with the General Council of Congregational Christian Churches.
* The Evangelical and Reformed Church itself was formed in 1934 by the merger of the Reformed Church in the United States and the Evangelical Synod of North America: o The Reformed Church in the United States carried out the tradition of the German version of the Reformed/Calvinist movement, which some commentators have characterized as less rationalistically doctrinal than its Dutch and British Isles counterparts. The German Reformed Church employed the Heidelberg Catechism as its primary, if not sole, confession. Its roots trace mostly to 18th-century immigrants hailing primarily from areas near the Rhine River in Germany, but also from certain parts of Switzerland. The denomination had strong concentrations in Pennsylvania, northern Maryland, and eastern Ohio, but was also present in more scattered patterns in states to the west and south. o The Evangelical Synod of North America traced its roots to later waves of 19th- and early 20th-century German immigration, which settled primarily in the Midwest (especially Missouri, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Michigan). Members of this group largely came from the Evangelical Church of the Union, which formed in 1817 as a union of the Lutheran and Reformed churches in Prussia. The group often identified as primarily Lutheran (usually depending upon a local pastor's preference and/or background), but held a mixture of both Lutheran and Reformed beliefs and practices--so much so as to prevent this group from merging with other Lutheran bodies. Evangelicals looked to both the Reformed Heidelberg Catechism and Luther's Small Catechism as their confessions (and eventually developed an "Evangelical Catechism" for confirmation training of youth, which merged views of both). * The Congregational Christian Churches trace their roots to the following: o The Congregational churches, a tradition within the Reformed family whose organizational structure was congregationalism, thus separating them from the theologically similar Presbyterians. This denomination was centered in New England (being the state churches of Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Connecticut from colonial times until into the early 19th century). The church spread wherever New Englanders migrated, including significant numbers in the Great Lakes region of the Midwest (including Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc.). The Congregational churches traced their colonial-era origins to two English dissenting Protestant groups: the separatist Pilgrims, who established Plymouth Colony in 1620; and the Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, who landed in 1629 and 1630 and settled Boston. At the time of the 1957 formation of the UCC, several hundred Congregational churches declined to join. Most of those congregations joined either one of two alternative bodies: the National Association of Congregational Christian Churches and the Conservative Congregational Christian Conference. The latter body came into being as a result of the fundamentalist movement in the early 20th century. o A portion of the American frontier Restoration Movement known as the Christian Churches, which derived from separate but related movements in North Carolina and Virginia, and New England, at the turn of the 19th century. Also known as the Christian Connection and identified with James O'Kelly, this loosely-defined group comprised a number of frontier movements that broke away from more established Anglo-Saxon denominations (namely Presbyterian, Methodist and Baptist) because they desired less rigid requirements of doctrine and church polity/organization. Adherents declared the Bible (especially the New Testament) as the sole doctrinal guide and claimed "no creed but Christ." The Christian Church movement, by far the smallest of the four main traditions that became the United Church of Christ, was part of the family of similar movements which severred along largely liberal-conservative lines as the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) denomination and the conservative independent Christian Churches and acapella Churches of Christ. As suggested above, confusion of the UCC with the Churches of Christ has caused substantial identity problems for both groups in some parts of the United States.[2] The Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) is in full communion with the UCC.[3]
1 ^ Famous members of the Christian Churches and Churches of Christ. Adherents.com (2005-10-17). Retrieved on 2006-12-24.
3 ^ In the words of Paul A. Crow Jr., "This ecumenical partnership----like all expressions of Christian unity----carries an aura both of celebration and struggle" {Crow, "United Church of Christ----Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) Ecumenical Partnership" in Douglas A. Foster, Paul B. Blowers, Anthony L. Dunnavant, & D. Newell Williams, eds., Encyclopedia of the Stone-Campbell Movement (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2004), ISBN 0-8028-3898-7, p. 754}. Enthusiasm for the "full communion" and the Churches Uniting in Christ is weakest among theologically conservative individual Disciples and an association of conservative congregations known as the Disciples Heritage Fellowship. For more detail on the historical relationships among the UCC and the churches of the Stone-Campbell Restoration Movement, see Foster, Blowers, Dunnavant, & Williams, esp. pp. 753-754 for Crow's full article and pp. 190-191 for Thomas H. Olbricht's "Christian Connection" article. -------- Trinity United Church of Christ is a megachurch, the largest congregation of the United Church of Christ, with 10,000 members.[1] It is also one of the largest African-American churches in Chicago, Illinois. Barack Obama, the junior United States Senator from Illinois and candidate for the Democratic Party Presidential nomination, is the most notable congregant, and a member since 1988. The pastor has most recently been the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Wright announced his retirement to Senior Pastor status in early 2008, and he is being replaced by the Rev. Otis Moss III. -------- Reverend Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. (born September 22, 1941) is a Biblical scholar, pastor, and community activist. He was the Pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC), an African-American megachurch in Chicago until he retired on Sunday, February 10th, 2008 after 36 years of service as the Senior Pastor of that congregation.[1] He has published four books and numerous articles.
Wright was born and raised in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. His father, Jeremiah Wright, Sr, was a Baptist minister. In 1959, Wright entered Virginia Union University, a historically black seminary, but became disenchanted and left in 1961 to join the US Navy. Wright then enrolled at Howard University where he received a bachelor's degree in 1968 and a Master’s degree in English in 1969. In 1975, Wright earned an additional Master’s degree from the University of Chicago Divinity School. He received a Doctor of Ministry Degree from United Theological Seminary in 1990 (where he studied under Samuel DeWitt Proctor). Wright also has seven honorary doctorate degrees. He has lectured at many seminaries and universities in the nation. [2] [3]
Wright became the senior pastor at TUCC on March 1, 1972. At that time, the church's membership totaled 87. Under his leadership, Trinity adopted the motto "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian" and has set out to make activism within and on behalf of the African American community a key aspect of the church's mission. It now has the largest congregation in the United Church of Christ with over 8,000 members. In 1993, Wright was named among Ebony Magazine's top 15 black preachers.[4]
Posts: 17021 | Location: Lincoln Place, Granite City, IL, USA | Registered: 06-03-02
[QUOTE]Originally posted by newnickname: Smearing Obama[/QUOTE
What's the problem? The American people can't possibly be so ill-informed as to give any of this a moment's thought or credence can they?
None of it begins to bear any logic: are we to understand than one of the political parties puts forward a candidate, that seasoned, experienced polticians would promote a man, all in the knowledge that any or all of these stories are true ?
It has all the marks of the claims of the deluded. These are the people who are so mentaly ill as to think that only they know something,have knowledge which is unique to them, but everyone else is blind to it or ignorant of it.
P.S. If, on the other hand, his critics seize on the delusions of the Reverend Wright and use those against Obama, then they have what barristers call 'a run'
The responses from the other members were all good and well, and very informative. The response from the Site Administrator, DorianGreyed, was downright nasty. He accused me of some nonsense coming very close to calling me a racist, and threatened me. ... I was banned from not only posting on the forum, but also from even getting in there to read the forums. The Administrator, DorianGreyed, also took it upon himself to try to "make an example out of me", so as to warn others not to dare say anything negative about his favorite candidate.
I stumbled upon this while perusing junk mail. Easy to dismiss as puerile ranting. I hope things don't get out of hand.
Posts: 1967 | Location: U.S. | Registered: 06-03-02
Fred, some American people can't identify Florida on a map.
Unlike Britons, who can't identify anywhere else.Very educational, taking the family to Disney World. (And the 'liberal' element know it's 'off' Cuba, where they take their holidays )
Prof, thanks. I had forgotten that AnswerPoint still exists. I think VD's circle of influence isn't large enough to damage anyone. And, I'm sure you remember the old Hollywood adage: Say what you want, but be sure and spell my name right.
It's even funnier that, thanks to VD, AnswerPool.com is now in Wikipedia !
Just to set a few things straight, VD was first suspended (by Karrow) for calling Karrow and KK Nazi's. He has insulted (rather harshly) several members, and been suspended several times for that. Once, I suspended him for his insulting questioning Babthrower's drug use when Babs' was nursing her husband through his final illness. In his latest problems, he was just suspended until he came back, registering not one, but two fake names (in this thread), which is against AnswerPool's rules. That was when I banned him. Like a few others who have been banned, he will, no doubt, find a way to sneak back in. He is a minor nuisance, nothing more, although I admit that I didn't expect AnswerPool to appear in WIkipedia so soon.
For a better understanding of who Valor Dracul is, I suggest a look at his home page. Remember that he is a man in his early 30s.
The Wikip. article on AnswerPool won't be there much longer: This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion... I wasn't aware of this poster's background -- 'nuff said.
Posts: 1967 | Location: U.S. | Registered: 06-03-02
Originally posted by coldfuse: I noticed on Valor's website that he excells [sic] in the power of seduction. Thus, he should have plenty to fill his time while he is away.
I wonder how that's working for him with those initials.
Wow! I think Britons can identify Britain on a map.It's that large aircraft carrier moored off Northern France.But, if they weren't sure, they could always ask one of the 850,000 Poles who've come here recently.
