Firstly may I say that I am completely open minded on the subject of whether we have been or are being visited by lifeforms from other parts of the universe.
I will however go so far as to say that how can we be so naive as to think that this totally insignificant speck called Earth is the only planet in the vastness of the Universe capable of sustaining intelligent life.
My questions are, if we are being visited by beings from the Cosmos, these beings must be far superior to us in both intelligence and technology. Lets face it they could never reach us otherwise.
If this is the case, bearing in mind that we are slowly but surely killing the Earth and with the constant wars being waged somewhere. (I wonder how many days since WWII ended has there been )total peace between all countries).How come these visitors have not made themselves known to the people of Earth. As they are obviously far superior to us, I assume they could destroy us very quickly or at least it would not take them long to overcome the human race.
If they are benevolent, why have they not made themselves known to us with the intention of helping us to overcome the many problems we have.
Finally, if, as some people think, the major Governments are aware of and possibly in cahoots with these beings, why is the information and tecnology being learned not being put to use to the benefit of mankind. ************************************************** 07-13-02, 11:15 AM JohnGalt Just because there may be intelligent life out in the Universe (which, incidentally, I beleive there is), doesn't mean they have come here.
They may not even know about Earth.
They may not even care about Earth.
Whose to say those aliens haven't destroyed themselves with their weapons of mass destruction before they invented interstellar space travel. You don't think humans are the only violent species, do you?
If they did come all this way, they wouldn't keep it a secret.
The simple fact of the matter is, is that we have not been visted by aliens. I would absolutely love it if we were. But it hasn't happened. And if there are aliens out there, as Carl Sagan said, "They would call us first." This is why the SETI Project is our best bet for finding intelligent life in the Universe. ************************************************** 07-13-02, 06:59 PM Kendor JohnG says: "The simple fact of the matter is, is that we have not been visted by aliens. ...... it hasn't happened".
JohnG, I agree with many of your posts and your eloquence is often unmatched by others...BUT....how can you make the above statement so 'matter-of-factly'?
Who are you to make such a bold statement that claims to be THE truth?
Keep your mind open and your opinions just that; opinions. Closed minds and stubborn fronts will wither with time in the darkness of crystalized reality. ************************************************** 07-14-02, 12:53 AM JohnGalt
quote:Originally posted by Kendor: JohnG says: "The simple fact of the matter is, is that we have not been visted by aliens. ...... it hasn't happened".
JohnG, I agree with many of your posts and your eloquence is often unmatched by others...BUT....how can you make the above statement so 'matter-of-factly'?
Who are you to make such a bold statement that claims to be THE truth?
Keep your mind open and your opinions just that; opinions. Closed minds and stubborn fronts will wither with time in the darkness of crystalized reality.
Thank you for your kind words and for your thoughts on this subject.
The burden of proof is on whoever asserts the positive. So far, no one has provided any proof of alien visitation. Likewise no one has provided proof of unicorns. For the sake of practicallity, I can say with near 100% confidence that there are no unicorns. Likewise, I can say with a similar amount of confidence that there are no aliens on earth. I can't go on the potential that there might be aliens here. Something so important requires proof.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
So far, the pro-alien-visitation side has not provided that proof. It is up to them to provide that proof. It is not up to me to prove a negative--because that can't be done. So I am comfortable in my saying they are not here. Once real proof is offered, I will not only retract my statement, but I will be happy to do so (assuming the aliens are not hostile!) :0
Granted, a negative can never be proven. But at some point we must accept practicality over potentiality. A person could never prove that the elusive unicorn does not live in their backyard, yet runs away everytime they look out their back door. Yes, it may happen that way, and it may happen that way everytime, all the time. But realistically we must accept the mathematical odds over the non-provability of a negative. Too much coincidence every single time would strain our credulity more than the very existence of the backyard unicorn itself. Same goes for aliens who, just happen to always leave without one bit of physical evidence every single time. We'd never get anywhere if we said, on every single issue the equivilent of, "Well, I can't prove the alien ship is not behind that cloud, so I'll leave the possibility open..." At some point it is perfectly Ok for us to tilt the odds into the negative category. Otherwise we'd never sit in a chair, becuase we weren't sure it wouldn't collapse on us when we sat in it. We make our assumption that it is safe to sit in all chairs based on all the ones we sat on in the past. Sure, one day, the legs to a chair may not be screwed on, but we'd never get anywhere without making the assumption that all chairs we see are Ok to sit in! smile We must make certain assumptions based on all the evidence (or lack thereof) that we currently have and that we have gathered in the past. When that evidence changes, then we are fully allowed to change our minds.
I do keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out. smile
My mind is open to the possibility that aliens are out there and that they we may even make contact one day. All I ask for is proof.
But the other side must also keep their mind open to the possibility that, maybe--just maybe, there are no aliens. If they do not do that, then they are the ones with the closed mind.
I realize both possibilities may exist. I tilt my belief in there being out there based on the sheer size and age of the universe. I tilt my belief that they have not been here based on lack of evidence. As the evidence changes on either issue, so too will my mind. ************************************************** 07-14-02, 09:10 AM Kendor Perhaps the evidence is so blatantly obvious, that our open minds fail to see it, or acknowledge it.
Perhaps the unicorn is still in the backyard, but we simply don't recognize it. Perhaps ALL chairs are really broken. Perhaps our occluded past is occluded by design. Perhaps historical mythology has a factual basis. Perhaps trees and grass are really blue. Perhaps our perceptions are manipulated by higher beings. Perhaps....perhaps nothing is absolute; nothing. Perhaps. ************************************************** 07-14-02, 09:58 AM JohnGalt
quote:Originally posted by Kendor: Perhaps the evidence is so blatantly obvious, that our open minds fail to see it, or acknowledge it.
Perhaps the unicorn is still in the backyard, but we simply don't recognize it. Perhaps _ALL_ chairs are really broken. Perhaps our occluded past is occluded by design. Perhaps historical mythology has a factual basis. Perhaps trees and grass are really blue. Perhaps our perceptions are manipulated by higher beings. Perhaps....perhaps nothing is absolute; nothing. Perhaps.
Perhaps the lug nuts on all 4 of your tires will somehow come lose every time you drive it. So you will have to check every single one of them each time before you get in you car instead of assuming they are tight.
Perhaps the green light you come to will somehow also be green for the other cars coming from cross traffic, so you will have to stop on green every time instead of assuming those other cars will stop.
Perhaps al-Q'ueda terrorists have replaced your best friend with an exact look-alike double. So when you go pick up your "friend" (in your car that you must check the tires of everytime--and stop at green lights) you will have to question him/her on every detail of their life every time just ot make sure it really is them, instead of just assuming it is them.
We can specualte on such possibilites on everything under the sun (ours and aliens'!)
But that is no way to live our lifes in a comfortable manner. It makess life so much easier to make certain assumptions. There is nothing wrong with making those assumptions as long as they are backed up with evidence. I can't prove the sun will come up tomorrow. But I assume it will, based on the fact that it has done so every other day for billions of years.
A person can go around saying, "Perhaps the sun won't come up tomorrow." Or a person can go around saying, "The sun is going to come up tomorrow!" Granted, one day the first statement may be true while the second one won't. But there is nothing wrong with adopting the outlook of accepting life and the world based on everything we currently know. To do otherwise would mean we could never know anything...including the fact that we couldn't know or make speculations. ************************************************** 07-15-02, 01:02 AM JohnGalt CClick here to read more about one of humankinds first attempts to make contact via the Arecibo Interstellar Message.
Click here to read about the famous "Wow!" signal received from space. ************************************************** 07-15-02, 05:34 AM MrSensitive 1. Humans want to be able to defend themselves. From the club to the spear to the gun, Earthmen have always treasured the ability to stand against a foe and defeat them. Recently, we have encountered beings who not only shrug off this human trait, but are feverishly working to manipulate the species to "weed out" this human trait. To not desire to protect one's self and one's family is not human. All natives of Earth fight for survival and desire the advantage.
2. "Full House" was on the air for seven years. No human can tolerate Bob Saget for seven minutes, well alone seven years. Obviously an alien intervention.
3. We are a planet that values youth. Yet, recently we've seen a struggle to kill off the unborn children and keep all the old people alive as much as possible.
4. There hasn't been one Earther who has voiced a desire for a cloned sheep. Hitler, Ben Franklin, Charlemagne... none of them. Yet, they are being manufactured. This falls far, far away from the earth custom of supply and demand.
5. No human or animal on Earth would design a car where you have to remove half the engine in order to change the oil filter. Since aliens only need to do an oil change every million light years or so, the design of modern engines is obviously indicative of alien design. Notice how today's engines resemble a Borg cube.
Now, I can't say with 100% certainty that it's aliens. But with evidence like this, it's nearly impossible to focus in on any Earth-borne sources.
Mr(to serve man)Sensitive ************************************************** 07-16-02, 09:25 AM BROOKERS
quote: From JohnGalt: Perhaps I'm an Alien
Well John perhaps you are. Perhaps I am. Perhaps we all are!!!!! ************************************************** 07-16-02, 10:58 AM JohnGalt
quote:Originally posted by BROOKERS:
quote: From JohnGalt: Perhaps I'm an Alien
Well John perhaps you are. Perhaps I am. Perhaps we all are!!!!!
Then I want to go home! big grin ************************************************** 07-16-02, 01:26 PM BROOKERS Quote from: JohnGalt
"Then I want to go home!" _______________________________________________
'Snap!', 'Ditto!', 'Me Too!'
We will have to meet for a drink at the 'Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
Perhaps Arthur Dent, Ford Prefect and Zaphod Beeblebrox would like to join us. Not forgetting Marvin the Paranoid Android of course.
[This message was edited by BROOKERS on 07-16-02 at 01:36 PM.] ************************************************** 09-25-02, 09:24 PM DvdGStwrt
Firstly may I say that I am completely open minded on the subject of whether we have been or are being visited by lifeforms from other parts of the universe.
I will however go so far as to say that how can we be so naive as to think that this totally insignificant speck called Earth is the only planet in the vastness of the Universe capable of sustaining intelligent life.
I agree with this, the universe is vast, and the possibilities are many. My questions are, if we are being visited by beings from the Cosmos, these beings must be far superior to us in both intelligence and technology. Lets face it they could never reach us otherwise.
Mankind is often accused of being advanced and intelligent due to his technology - But the ability to do a thing doesn't mean enlightenment. If this is the case, bearing in mind that we are slowly but surely killing the Earth and with the constant wars being waged somewhere. (I wonder how many days since WWII ended has there been )_total peace_ between _all_ countries).How come these visitors have not made themselves known to the people of Earth. As they are obviously far superior to us, I assume they could destroy us very quickly or at least it would not take them long to overcome the human race.
Why bother? Seriously. Would you bother to stop a war between ant colonies? Might be the same idea here, except we are the ants If they are benevolent, why have they not made themselves known to us with the intention of helping us to overcome the many problems we have.
Why need they be benevolent? Is an American more Benevolent that an Australian Aboriginal due to the American having far greater technology at his finger tips? Finally, if, as some people think, the major Governments are aware of and possibly in cahoots with these beings, why is the information and tecnology being learned not being put to use to the benefit of mankind.
Governments? Oh well, I'm certain that if this is the case the Governments are doing as they always do, lining their own personal pockets before the masses.
My opinion on the matter
Let us assume that ET is coming to Earth on a regular basis. We would first have to figure out why they would do so.
I will assume that Earth is not very spectacular, in fact I would go so far as to say that it it rather boring - it holds nothing of great interest. The only thing that may be of interest is that it provides a living laboratory that the ET's can learn something from.
This would make more sense when we consider all of the reports and the evidence (or in this case, lack there of) - One doesn't contaminate the environment that they are studying if they want to have accurate results from the experiment.
Being benevolent does not mean that you have to take over another's life - indeed, being benevolent may mean letting things take their natural course.
It may very well be that ET's are bound by a Law which boils down to non-interference in a pre-interstellar species. They may observe, but are not allowed to offer helpful hints.
Or it may very well be that it would be like you handing a loaded gun with the safty off to an idiot child..... No sane person would do such a thing.
I seriously doubt that the Governments have alien bodies and Alien Technology. If they did then do you honestly think that we would have all these wars going on?
David ************************************************** 11-08-02, 01:41 PM nasa123 In my own opinion, I do think that we have been visited my aliens. For one thing, what is at area 59, or whatever it's called? How come the government won't tell anyone about it? I think that the government is trying to hide something from us.
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