Mr. Galt, our resident Debunker, has far ranging view points and is able to quickly disseminate 'factual' evidence and rational explanation for all of the tough Conspiracy theories and the Super Natural.

I look forward to his stance on my next question, I also welcome the view points off all others as well.

The Following site ( http://www.bibleufo.com/guide.htm ) proposes that God of the Bible actually rides a "UFO" That site doesn't say that God is an Alien, nor does it promote a new Religion.

It is a very extensive site, includes a lot of good scriptural evidence to support its claims, and also goes on to use other evidences to support its claims.

Assuming that Mr. Galt believes in God, I must wonder what Mr. Galt makes of this Site. Again, all others are more than welcome to throw in on this one as well.

Cheers

David

I doubt very much that the Creator of the Universe would need a mechanical device to transverse the very Universe that He created.

A quick look at the site in question, and I found their claim that (if I counted correctly) at least 253 alien craft have crashed on Earth. Four things come to mind over that claim:

1.) Not a bit of proof is offered for any of these 253 alleged crashes.

2.) I think God would chose a more reliable transportation mode.

3.) These "superior" aliens must make even worse craft than we Earthlings do in our air and space craft. Ours don't crash that often!
4.) Why haven't I tripped over an alien craft? Apparently they are constatnly falling out of the sky and their crash debris is everywhere.

Aliens are proably out there. But they ain't ever been here.

In my opinion, the best chance for us finding aliens is something along the lines of the SETI Project.

As for finding God, that transends scienctific methods and cannot be accurately answered via any science--in my opinion.

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Originally posted by JohnGalt:

Aliens are proably out there. But they ain't ever been here.

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I love the way some folks can say things so 'matter of fact'ly, when, in fact, they really haven't weighed the possibilities. Although everyone's entitled to his/her own opinion, the likely-hood of this planet having been visited by other beings is far greater than having not been visited.

C'mon; the earth has been here for what, 4 billion years? And record keeping humans less than 10000? I wouldn't doubt the possibility that we have actually been 'seeded' here and that all our ancient mythologies are indeed fact-based, having to do with those who have done the sowing.

Kendor, son of Zeus.

Kendor,

I say I feel that aliens have never been to Earth and you say I have not weighed the possibilities.

Yet when you say “the likely-hood of this planet having been visited by other beings is far greater than having not been visited,” I say it is you who has not weighed the facts.

Of course it is possible, but what we are concerned with is what is probable.

I can admit it is possible aliens have been here (although I highly doubt it.) Can you admit that it is possible that aliens have never been here? If not, then you have a closed mind. If you can admit that possibility, then we are both on the same page. From that page we must then move on to what is truly probable. That probability must be based on the facts.

The burden of proof is on whomever asserts the positive. You say it is likely they have been here. Where is the evidence? That’s all I ask. Not what might be; not what we would like to be; but the cold, hard facts.

You point to the age of the Earth, yet I can point to the incredibly vast distances between stars.

Everyone interested in the discussion of intelligent life on other planets, is familiar with the Drake Equation:

N = R* • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L

Yet if just one of those variables is 0, then that instantly makes the number of planets with intelligent life technically capable of interstellar radio contact down to 0.

Good book on the subject

John Galt, evolved from monkeys (who themselves were not put here by aliens.)

[This message was edited by JohnGalt on 12-20-02 at 09:54 AM.]

Oh, I definitely agree to the possibility that the earth has never been visited by aliens. I'm stating merely that's it's [much] more probable, that it has.

The Drake Equation? **scoff** First of all, although it is widely accepted in the scientific community to be valid, it was originally formulated simply to provide an agenda for the world's first SETI meeting, (in Green Bank WV in 1961). Second, it has a major, MAJOR flaw. It assumes that intelligent life will only arise and evolve on an 'earth-like' planet. Who are we to make such a ludicrous statement?!! Talk about closed mindedness! We can't even begin to explain our own existence, much less claim that an alien life form can only develop in such a tepid environment. Heck, who are we to assume that life even needs a planet in the first place in order to come into being?

You're pretty smart John; open up a little further. Don't just debunk for the sake of debunking.

I don't debunk. I doubt.

"The beginning of wisdom is found in doubting; by doubting we come to the question, and by seeking we may come upon the truth."
Pierre Abelard

"I respect faith, but doubt is what gets you an education."
Wilson Mizner

"If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts, but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties."
Francis Bacon

There simply is no evidence that we have been visted by aliens. I wish there were evidence. No one would be happier about it than myself--unless the aliens turned out to be just what every B-sci-fi movie said about visiting aliens being either angry invaders or hungry carnivores!

Kendor (Son of Zeus)

What is your take on that UFO and God site. Did you go there, look at it and consider it?

I would like to hear what you think (I hope Mr. Galt allows for us to consider the possibilities here).
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My interest in the site is due to my Faith. I try to not limit God and the possibilities of God.

It crossed my mind that the reason why Biblical Accounts of UFOs sound so similar to Today's Sightings is not because the ET's have been visiting us all along - rather that Biblical kind of events are taking place today.

That would make for an interesting topic at any Sunday School, that the signs in the Sky of the Bible are viewable today.



Cheers

David

Well David, I've been to that site before. In fact, I had it bookmarked because it had interested me. Your thoughts that those events may be foretelling today’s reality are interesting. I am open to all possibilities.

My thoughts are not so aligned with those of the authors of that site. At the same time my thoughts are not very conventional either. (by any means). First, I think that many folks, including those at that site, believe UFOs to be physical spacecraft that were built from some metal extracted from some ore, of some unknown planet, somewhere in our universe. While this may or may not be true, I tend to see things differently.

I think that, (assuming UFOs are a real phenomena), they are more likely to not truly be the crafts they are perceived to be, but something else, manifested into a form we can actually relate to. What I mean is that perhaps there are life forms that we don't, or cannot, understand. (hmmff** God **hmmff). Maybe they are plasma based, or something else; something that we don't (or can’t) know anything about. And say they’re able to transverse our perceived spatial distances with little or no effort, in a [relatively] very short period of time. Then the beings arrive at earth and (unknown to us) either want to continue their experiment, (if they’re the sowers, i.e. “God”), or simply want to learn about us. So they must make contact with us, but know that we would not understand their nature or their motivations if they reveal themselves as they truly are. So they morph, (or use some other method), to manifest into some form that might slowly acclimate us to the reality of their existence.

I know all that sounds pretty ‘extraordinary’ but that’s what just popped into my head at the moment. There are so many possibilities that to say anything ‘matter-o-fact’ly, is ridiculous. That’s why I responded here in the first place. Mr. Galt seems to always use terminal judgment, (“they aint never been here”), and I just don’t feel there’s any place for that in our search for the truth.

If anyone wants to chat further, my email is posted in my profile. (or just continue this thread)

Kendor