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Do all of yall think that the government is hiding all information of the 1947 crash, or that it was really a 'hoax' or 'weather ballon' or 'test dummy' like the government has claimed?
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08-23-03, 04:01 PM
Sherasi
Well, my husband's father was in the airforce and according to a fellow airforce buddy of his who was stationed in Area 51, there WAS something being closely guarded there.
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08-25-03, 02:07 AM
DvdGStwrt
I was convinced that it was a weather balloon until a TV show on Discovery channel where the photo of the military man near the balloon was holding a telex message. It was through enhancements and today's technology that the message was mostly deciphered.

http://www.abcfield.force9.co.uk/rpit/

I would suggest a search of "Roswell Photo Interpretation Team" to get more information.

This show said that words like 'Disk' and 'bodies' are part of the text.

If this is the case, then someone told a lie.

David
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08-25-03, 11:07 AM
Elexina
Oh, I'm sure there's more to it than we the general public are aware of. Whether it is really important to our daily lives is questionable.
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08-26-03, 07:26 AM
JaggedEdge
I believe there are many things that the government conceals from the general public, including the Rosewell incident. I think there are things that have been discovered and created that would cause widespread panic if we were aware of them. Sometimes not knowing can be a good thing. Confused
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11-03-03, 12:30 PM
mystery250
I would like to know whatever is going on in the world I live in though. It is sort of our right. We live here too, along with the government officals.
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11-05-03, 11:31 AM
Elexina
What would the knowing change for you in your life?
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11-12-03, 09:28 PM
stampeding turtles
I've thought that they were possibly hiding something but it wasn't anything extra-terrestrial. More likely something we were doing in stealth mode that got out of hand and could be embarrassing if widely known, or jeapordize security. In fact, if that is the case, they would love for people to jump to conclusions about the whole UFO bit... because it would point the finger away from the more pedestrian reason. Sort of like disinformation to a gullible public that desperately wants to believe in supernatural or other-worldly explanations for things, rather than impugn the integrity of the USA.

At least that's what my space chums from the planet XVqTTyEYTh tell me. Smile
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11-13-03, 03:05 PM
blam
If Roswell was a crashed alien spacecraft, why the heck would they keep it from us? I'm sure we could all handle it, you know, when Africa was discovered by Europeans, the governments of the day didn't keep it a secret that it was inhabited for fear of freaking out the average man-in-the-street and they handled it.
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11-13-03, 05:18 PM
DorianGreyed
Blam, your analogy doesn't hold. With the possible exception of very early history, Europeans were never confronted by an obviously superior technology in Africa, whereas an alien spacecrafteither in 1947 or now, would definitely signal that our technology was woefully decades, if not centuries, behind the builders of such a craft.
This is not to be construed as any type of proof of anything, certainly not my beliefs. I was just pointing out that your analogy regarding reasons why the Roswell incident isn't an alien craft doesn't hold true.
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11-14-03, 03:28 AM
blam
OK DG, I agree, but the thought that they are well in advance of us technologically has always been there for us from the fact that it would be they who discovered us. I know we could handle it, in fact I would be delighted! Just imagine all the stuff we could learn from them.
What gives 'the chosen few' the right to exclusivity?
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11-19-03, 11:52 PM
JohnGalt
What crashed was a Top Secret Project Mogul Balloon designed as a spy platform to monitor possible Soviet nuclear detonations with the use of low-frequency acoustic microphones placed at high altitudes. This was not a weather balloon. Project Moguls were more than 600 feet long, and Top Secret. Project Mogul was not declassified until sometime around the early 1990s. In June and early July 1947, several flights were launched from Alamogordo Army Air Field in New Mexico.

The wind patterns for the days before and of the day of the crash are known. Those patterns perfectly match Project Mogul Flight Number 4 taking it from its launch site to an area near the eventual crash site. Flight 4 was tracked to within only 17 miles from the location of the debris field on the Foster ranch before it was lost.

The debris found - balsa wood, rubber, metallic paper and tape- (you would think intergalllatic spaceships would be made of something more substantial!) matches perfectly with a Project Mogul balloons.

There was absolutely no increase in any sort of military or governmental communications (or any mobilizations of any sort) during or after the event, as would be expected if an actual alien spacecraft actually crashed on Earth. The President’s schedule didn’t change one bit from his normal planned activities on the day of - or in the days following - the crash.

A short synopsis of what really happened

Everything you could ever want to know about Project Mogul balloons.

A great book about the whole subject covering nearly everything involved. This is the book to read if you are interested in this subject.
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11-20-03, 02:11 PM
Elexina
You think you could handle it, Blam, but that's not your decision to make for everyone else. Certainly a person could handle it, but people as a whole are dumb, panicky and stupid. And besides, how would it really change your life?
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11-21-03, 04:28 AM
blam
I KNOW I could handle it. How would it change my life? I'm sure it would change everybody's life, how great would it be to have all this knowledge of outer-space, the thirst for knowledge on that subject alone has fascinated mankind since the begining of time. The technology, "OH! the technology!" Just think, Inter-planetry football, golf, olympics. Please, just use your imagination.
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12-22-03, 10:09 AM
phreak
if there really was a crashed UFO. dont you think that some other aliens would come to look for their fellow aliens and not leave them behind? a lotta people just like to think about this stuff and get all carried away.
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02-22-04, 07:10 PM
mystery250
No-one will know until the de-classify everything that has to do with Area 51.
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05-09-07, 08:48 PM
Valor D
Check out the movie, "Roswell". And, yes, it really happened!

Is it just a coincidence that human technology took leaps and bounds beginning in 1947, with the invention of the transistor, by a U.S. government lab? Our technology has advanced further and faster in the past 60 years than it has in all of human history. Also just a coincidence? The C.I.A. was also 'coincidentally' formed in 1947. Check out "Project Blue Book" for some interesting reading on the subject.

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Originally posted by mystery250:
Do all of yall think that the government is hiding all information of the 1947 crash, or that it was really a 'hoax' or 'weather ballon' or 'test dummy' like the government has claimed?
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08-23-03, 04:01 PM
Sherasi
Well, my husband's father was in the airforce and according to a fellow airforce buddy of his who was stationed in Area 51, there WAS something being closely guarded there.
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08-25-03, 02:07 AM
DvdGStwrt
I was convinced that it was a weather balloon until a TV show on Discovery channel where the photo of the military man near the balloon was holding a telex message. It was through enhancements and today's technology that the message was mostly deciphered.

http://www.abcfield.force9.co.uk/rpit/

I would suggest a search of "Roswell Photo Interpretation Team" to get more information.

This show said that words like 'Disk' and 'bodies' are part of the text.

If this is the case, then someone told a lie.

David
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08-25-03, 11:07 AM
Elexina
Oh, I'm sure there's more to it than we the general public are aware of. Whether it is really important to our daily lives is questionable.
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08-26-03, 07:26 AM
JaggedEdge
I believe there are many things that the government conceals from the general public, including the Rosewell incident. I think there are things that have been discovered and created that would cause widespread panic if we were aware of them. Sometimes not knowing can be a good thing. Confused
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11-03-03, 12:30 PM
mystery250
I would like to know whatever is going on in the world I live in though. It is sort of our right. We live here too, along with the government officals.
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11-05-03, 11:31 AM
Elexina
What would the knowing change for you in your life?
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11-12-03, 09:28 PM
stampeding turtles
I've thought that they were possibly hiding something but it wasn't anything extra-terrestrial. More likely something we were doing in stealth mode that got out of hand and could be embarrassing if widely known, or jeapordize security. In fact, if that is the case, they would love for people to jump to conclusions about the whole UFO bit... because it would point the finger away from the more pedestrian reason. Sort of like disinformation to a gullible public that desperately wants to believe in supernatural or other-worldly explanations for things, rather than impugn the integrity of the USA.

At least that's what my space chums from the planet XVqTTyEYTh tell me. Smile
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11-13-03, 03:05 PM
blam
If Roswell was a crashed alien spacecraft, why the heck would they keep it from us? I'm sure we could all handle it, you know, when Africa was discovered by Europeans, the governments of the day didn't keep it a secret that it was inhabited for fear of freaking out the average man-in-the-street and they handled it.
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11-13-03, 05:18 PM
DorianGreyed
Blam, your analogy doesn't hold. With the possible exception of very early history, Europeans were never confronted by an obviously superior technology in Africa, whereas an alien spacecrafteither in 1947 or now, would definitely signal that our technology was woefully decades, if not centuries, behind the builders of such a craft.
This is not to be construed as any type of proof of anything, certainly not my beliefs. I was just pointing out that your analogy regarding reasons why the Roswell incident isn't an alien craft doesn't hold true.
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11-14-03, 03:28 AM
blam
OK DG, I agree, but the thought that they are well in advance of us technologically has always been there for us from the fact that it would be they who discovered us. I know we could handle it, in fact I would be delighted! Just imagine all the stuff we could learn from them.
What gives 'the chosen few' the right to exclusivity?
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11-19-03, 11:52 PM
JohnGalt
What crashed was a Top Secret Project Mogul Balloon designed as a spy platform to monitor possible Soviet nuclear detonations with the use of low-frequency acoustic microphones placed at high altitudes. This was not a weather balloon. Project Moguls were more than 600 feet long, and Top Secret. Project Mogul was not declassified until sometime around the early 1990s. In June and early July 1947, several flights were launched from Alamogordo Army Air Field in New Mexico.

The wind patterns for the days before and of the day of the crash are known. Those patterns perfectly match Project Mogul Flight Number 4 taking it from its launch site to an area near the eventual crash site. Flight 4 was tracked to within only 17 miles from the location of the debris field on the Foster ranch before it was lost.

The debris found - balsa wood, rubber, metallic paper and tape- (you would think intergalllatic spaceships would be made of something more substantial!) matches perfectly with a Project Mogul balloons.

There was absolutely no increase in any sort of military or governmental communications (or any mobilizations of any sort) during or after the event, as would be expected if an actual alien spacecraft actually crashed on Earth. The President’s schedule didn’t change one bit from his normal planned activities on the day of - or in the days following - the crash.

A short synopsis of what really happened

Everything you could ever want to know about Project Mogul balloons.

A great book about the whole subject covering nearly everything involved. This is the book to read if you are interested in this subject.
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11-20-03, 02:11 PM
Elexina
You think you could handle it, Blam, but that's not your decision to make for everyone else. Certainly a person could handle it, but people as a whole are dumb, panicky and stupid. And besides, how would it really change your life?
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11-21-03, 04:28 AM
blam
I KNOW I could handle it. How would it change my life? I'm sure it would change everybody's life, how great would it be to have all this knowledge of outer-space, the thirst for knowledge on that subject alone has fascinated mankind since the begining of time. The technology, "OH! the technology!" Just think, Inter-planetry football, golf, olympics. Please, just use your imagination.
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12-22-03, 10:09 AM
phreak
if there really was a crashed UFO. dont you think that some other aliens would come to look for their fellow aliens and not leave them behind? a lotta people just like to think about this stuff and get all carried away.
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02-22-04, 07:10 PM
mystery250
No-one will know until the de-classify everything that has to do with Area 51.
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05-09-07, 08:48 PM
Valor D
Check out the movie, "Roswell". And, yes, it really happened!

Is it just a coincidence that human technology took leaps and bounds beginning in 1947, with the invention of the transistor, by a U.S. government lab? Our technology has advanced further and faster in the past 60 years than it has in all of human history. Also just a coincidence? The C.I.A. was also 'coincidentally' formed in 1947. Check out "Project Blue Book" for some interesting reading on the subject.

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Originally posted by Valor D:
Check out the movie, "Roswell".

Roswell is of the genre type Science Fiction. Movies and TV shows are for entertainment and their writers and producers are allowed plenty of dramatic license to tell a good story. When real events prove too mundane or ordinary, it is only natural they will spice them up.

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Originally posted by Valor D:
And, yes, it really happened!

Yes, a Top Secret spy platform on a high altitude balloon code-named Project Mogul is what happened. Meteorological data of the wind patterns of that time prove one was blown directly into the area and every single original description of the debris describes a Mogul balloon and its radiosonde, with not a single mention of any bodies, alien or otherwise.

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Originally posted by Valor D:
Is it just a coincidence that human technology took leaps and bounds beginning in 1947...

No, it was not a coincidence. World War II had just ended, and so the money and manpower that had been going into the war effort for several years could now go back to other things.

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Originally posted by Valor D:
...with the invention of the transistor, by a U.S. government lab?

The transistor was invented by John Bardeen, Ph.D., Walter Brattain, Ph.D., and William Shockley Ph.D. while they worked at the Bell Telephone Labs. Bell Labs, while having various government contracts, was jointly owned by AT&T and Western Electric but it was not a government lab.

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Originally posted by Valor D:
Our technology has advanced further and faster in the past 60 years than it has in all of human history. Also just a coincidence?

And a year before the Project Mogul balloon crashed, in 1946, the same thing could have been said of the then previous 60 years. And today, in 2007, the same thing can also be said. Humans have been progressing since the beginning. Pick any random point in time, and at that moment in history human technology will have advanced further and faster than the previous half century. Human progress does not prove alien technology or even aliens.

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Originally posted by Valor D:
The C.I.A. was also 'coincidentally' formed in 1947.

The Truman Doctrine (due to growing communism in Eastern Europe and fears of the Soviet Union) began in 1947. The C.I.A., an outgrowth of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), was one of the natural results of the Cold War that was ramping up in 1947.

I wish we truly had proof of aliens. But, unfortunately, we don't. But humans do like good stories, even if they are fictional. That is one of the reasons for the popular belief of the ever-evolving "Roswell Story."
 
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my computer has been acting funny lately...this might mean a low flying UFO Roll Eyes
 
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my computer has been acting funny lately...this might mean a low flying UFO Roll Eyes

And what is more, if you contact the service number or link given by the computer makers you'll find yourself in communication with aliens who speak some strange language and are light years away (judging from the response time). Weird, huh?
 
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