The Supreme Court, in a 6-3 majority ruling struck down laws against sodomy...the definition of which varies by jurisdiction in those places that still have such laws on the books.Here isThe Associated Press Article about this long overdue ruling.
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06-26-03, 01:53 PM
MrsS
Well, that link worked when I posted it! And now it is too late to edit, so here's the MSNBC article.

06-26-03, 05:56 PM
Oceangurl
I read this today too. This is a victory for equal rights, although I'm sure there are some who still believe that homosexual relationships should be outlawed.

I was happy to learn that someone stepped up and took action to eliminate laws whose true intent is to judge and punish others for their life choices. I commend the two men who brought forth this action.

Advocates of these archaic laws will argue that they protect families and children, but I strongly disagree. Laws like this promote hatred and intolerance.

People need to mind their own business and stop worrying about what goes on in the bedrooms of consenting adults.

06-26-03, 07:05 PM
Kelleygirl
I totally agree with Mrs.S & Oceangurl --- this should help put us all on a level playing field ---it won't be a complete panacea --- still need a lot of attitude adjustments.

06-29-03, 06:30 PM
kittypal
What I don't understand is HOW the heck did they know what was going on in the privacy of these guy's bedroom, I can't believe they were aressted for this, unreal!!!!

06-29-03, 06:39 PM
Kelleygirl
Kittypal, there was, apparently, a prank phone call to the cops that they were needed at an address to aid an man who had gone beserk. All that they (the cops) encountered were two men having anal sex. This, by law, was illegal. The law was rarely enforced but did come into play sometimes i.e. when gays wanted to adopted,and they were told that they had illegal activities in their home.

06-29-03, 06:46 PM
frankvan

quote:Originally posted by kittypal:
What I don't understand is HOW the heck did they know what was going on in the privacy of these guy's bedroom, I can't believe they were aressted for this, unreal!!!!



Apparently a neighbor with a grudge called police and told them someone was going crazy at that address. When the cops pushed open the door they found the two men engaged in so-called "sodomy" and arrested them.

06-29-03, 07:37 PM
Di
In total agreement with Oceangurl's post. It's about damned time!
As for the jerky neighbor, he should be arrested for the so called 'prank' phone call.

06-29-03, 08:30 PM
MrsS
The neighbor WAS charged with providing false info....fine and 2(?) years probation

06-29-03, 09:52 PM
Di
Well that at least was good news, too bad it was only probation!

07-01-03, 10:10 AM
Elexina
I am so relieved that the Supreme Court ruled this way. What consenting adults want to do in the privacy of their own home is their business, whether it is a heterosexual couple, a homosexual couple, swingers, threesomes, whatever. That is their freedom, and their right. To outlaw a particular sexual act for one type of couple and not for all couples is ridiculous. And the states that outlaw it all together are, in my opinion, overstepping the boundaries of privacy.

SeattleRon, that is your opinion, certainly, and you have every right to it. Keep in mind, though, a gay man may very well feel the same about your heterosexuality. He may not be able to understand how you can possibly have sex with a woman, how you could even find her attractive. You see, it goes both ways. If you don't want to hear about homosexual relationships, then don't listen, but so long as heterosexuals express their love in public, everyone should be able to.

07-01-03, 11:33 AM
MrsS
Well said, Elexina....Ron, if you find homosexuality so distasteful, perhaps this is a forum you ought to avoid since much of the content deals with "the love which dares not speak its name"

07-01-03, 01:34 PM
SeattleRon
i fidn it distasteful, but i am not against it. like i said previously, To each his own. I'm not one to judge people. Also, everyone has the right to an opinion.
I am in no way against Homosexuality, religious people or anyobdy ever.
Thank you

07-02-03, 06:21 AM
Elexina
You're welcome. And you are certainly welcome to find the intimate actions of a gay male couple distasteful. What I am pointing out is that said couple would likely find your intimate actions distasteful. Homosexual actions are not to your liking, heterosexual ones are not to theirs. This does not mean that they are heterophobic or you are homophobic. It is simply a matter of taste.
But I think that's the whole point of the SCOTUS decision: what goes on in a person's bedroom is their business and no one else's and it should be covered under the right to privacy.

07-03-03, 07:45 PM
DvdGStwrt
Ron, Ron, Ron...

How can you know if its gross if you never tried it?!?!?!?

Once you try it, then you can have an informed opinion on the matter.

BTW, it is, well, odd - at best.

Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin

David

07-03-03, 07:55 PM
MrsS
David, have I told you lately that I just adore you!Big Grin

07-05-03, 11:42 PM
SAINT DAN
i wonder at what point an act is concentual and legal and concentual and illegal. for instance, if my wife and i agree to take drugs in our home can the police then come to my house and arrest us? why, we're off the streets not harming anyone. the shades are drawn, doors locked. because our actions are detremental to ourselves and society whether we "endanger" others or not.

homosexuality while is not and should not be illegal is a disrupttion to society. if everyone was homosexual then societies would fail. no population growth.

homosexuality goes against the norm. the norm for functional life (botonic, animal and humanoid) and thus it is aberant behavior. gays shouldn't be offended at not being seen as "normal".

oh yeah, and it wouldn't hurt to not be so brash. the in your face "we're here, we're queer, get used to it" doesn't win.

07-06-03, 11:39 AM
MrsS
But, Dan, Then the straight people have to stop necking in publicWink
Depending on what source you accept, between 2% and 15% of the population is gay or bisexual...a significant number, but unlikely to impact the net population growth...which, just by the by, could stand to be curbed.
The drug use analogy does not fly because it does involve other people...the dealer, who in turn has an effect on others...and drug laws apply equally to everyone...you can't say "Brown eyed people can use meth, but for green eyed people, it is a crime"....you also can't say that it is legal for a man and a woman to commit a specific sexual act, but unlawful for a same sex couple to engage in that same act.
What two consenting adults do with each other's body parts in their home is not properly the government's business

07-07-03, 08:30 AM
dogspit
It might also be worth noting that
depending on the state or even if
you are in the military, sodomy is
defined some places not just as anal
sex, but just about any sexual activity
outside of procreational copulation.
It can include oral sex and any sex that
involves the use of "foreign objects".
The military has especially odd ways
of defining it which are both vague
and yet include much ! In the end (no
pun intended) the ruling was not about
sodomy at all, but about the singling
out of gay men as a group.

07-07-03, 09:55 AM
Yankees15

quote:Originally posted by MrsS:
The drug use analogy does not fly because it does involve other people...the dealer, who in turn has an effect on others..



What if you grow and roll your own?

07-09-03, 06:31 PM
kittypal
I really hope thet let same sex marriage be legal in all states too, with all the hate in the world why deny two people who love each other??? Who are we to judge anyway, like it, hate it, or don't care..it doesn't involve you unless you want it too!!!! Smile

07-10-03, 11:35 AM
Elexina
Dan, you are right, your drug use does not endanger others so long as you are responsible about it. But if you use and then can't pay attention to your children or if you use and then go drive your car and injure others, and so on, then it does affect society. If you are truly responsible and no one is hurt by your drug use, I don't see that it is a problem. But, alas, that is where the law and I differ.

You mention, though, that homosexuality goes against "the norm." Who is to say what "the norm" is? Homosexuality is most certainly "the norm" for homosexuals. It's not "the norm" because it can't produce children? I just don't buy that.
Yes, if everyone was a homosexual populations would fall. But everyone is not a homosexual and everyone will not be. It's not like it's catching.

When straight people stop damning gay people for who they are and who they love, when they stop beating them and tying them to fences and dragging them behind trucks, when they stop discriminating against gay people in every aspect of life from employment to housing to insurance to marriage to flat-out happiness, then maybe gay people will stop being so brash and in-your-face about it.

[This message was edited by Karrow on 07-19-03 at 10:30 PM.]

08-03-03, 12:40 AM
Silver Thunder
As someone who trained in the law I find it wholly objectionable that the law should decide what goes on in the privacy of ones bedroom between two conscenting adults regardless of sexual orientation of those involved.
I often use the argument to those who present the same old arguments against gays you know hell, fire and damnation etc. What would you do if you lived on a planet where being gay was the norm instead of being the exception to the rule as some people view it.
Would you stand for being taken to court for what these guys were. The answer is always no. Its a simplistic argument I know but a most effective one.
I think that the Supreme Court should be congratulated for this decision. The two men who brought the case are braver than me and they have guts to do what they did.

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